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Hello all! I'm brand-new to this Forum, and I haven't done a build in about 7 years......so the questions i have will be pretty rudimentary to you guys! Seen some amazing build pics in here!

I guess first off, my parts list...

Case: Thermaltake Overseer RX-1
CPU: 4770K
MB: Maximus VI Formula
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws Z 32GB CL10 2400 (yes, yes, I know it's too much....the 16GB kits I wanted kept being sold out....)
CPU cooler: Corsair H100i
GPU: EVGA GTX 770 4GB Classified
SSD: Samsung 840 Evo 1TB
HDD: Seagate 2TB 7200RPM Hybrid
PSU: Corsair AX860i

All BitFenix Spectre PRO fans:
200mm front intake
200mm side intake
200mm top exhaust X2
120mm rear exhaust
120mm bottom intake (I think 140mm will fit, will see)

Coming in April/May:
Klipsch KG-300 wireless headset
ASUS ROG Front Base http://pcdiy.asus.com/2014/01/rog-front-base-the-ultimate-5-25-bay-accessory-ces-2014/
ASUS ROG SWIFT http://pcdiy.asus.com/2014/01/pg278q-rog-swift-gaming-monitor-the-best-gaming-monitor/

The old ASUS 26" 1080p monitor I'm using now will become my second monitor.




I'm still waiting to buy the CPU and MB, so my questions are mostly because I don't have my MB in my hands yet.

My main concerns right now have to do with the fan wiring. With 6 case fans, my plan was to use all 6 case fan headers, does that sound good? I want maximum adjustability with Fan Xpert and with Front Base. And, how would you wire them given the above setup?

My second question is, does the ROG Armor get in the way of the fan headers? I can't tell from pics and from the MB diagram I've looked at. If it does, I'd need to install fan cable extensions to the MB, put the armor back on, socket the CPU, install it in my case, and then the extensions to the fans.

I'd like to see 4.0-4.2GHz on the CPU for daily use. Not looking for any records, just a fun, fast comp.
GPU should OC easily by 50-100 MHz.
RAM I'll set to XMP at 2400.

Obviously this is an Overclocking forum......but I'm lazy! Would the 1-click OC profiles with the Formula be enough to reach my target and be stable? Though I've built ONE PC before, I've never overclocked, and would like it to be as painless as possible.

Thanks for any replies!

P.S. Oh, and I'm actually pretty impressed with this case, especially catching it on sale for $80! BUT, the (front and top) 200mm BitFenix fans don't quite fit......I'll have to shave down the sides of the fans a bit with a Dremel. Also, the fan bolts are a different thread.....had to reuse the stock Thermaltake bolts instead of the ones from BitFenix. Anyone know where I can get more Thermaltake fan bolts?

-I think you may find the case a bit tight if ya ever move to a full blown water cooling system.... might also be a bit warm if you add a 2nd GFX card
-If ya doing anything requiring HT, this is the betetr choice over the 4670k
-Great choice on the MoBo tho a bit "hi end" perhaps for some of the other components
-The extra memory doesn't necessarily a bad thing tho 4 modules will put a bit more of a strain on ya CPU so may not get as high OCs .... wuda suggested the Mushkin Redlines as they have better timings, tho they disappear as soon as they arrive in stock.
-The cooler is not something I'd do. The noise is vacuum cleaner level .... yes I know the decibel charts list vacuums at 70 dBA tbut that's 1970's model and today's models are 62 ish ..... right were they H100i is. Watch ..... er listen to ..... this video and make sure it's something you want to live with before using. At the 55% CPU loading is the point where I wanna put the PC in another room. The 11o is better in this respect but like all these AIOs, they really don't do much better than the better air coolers.



-The classified is a great PCB but given the cost getting up near 78 levels, I'd consider swinging for a 780 ..... DCII from Asus , N Gaming Series from MSI or Gigabyte Windforce
-Storage selections are top notch.... I have a pair of SSHDs and the Samsing Pros
-Monotor is great
-Im not too excited about the panel thing .... been there before (OC Panel) and Asus provided 0 support for the unit ....it has basically sat there unused since it was installed.

As to your questions.....

1. You don't have that control.....FanXpert2 which is part of AISuite3 will control the following

CPU (PWM) - used generally to control fan on CPU cooler
CPU_OPT (PWM) - used generally to control fan 2nd on 3rd party CPU cooler

CHA_1 thru CHA_3 - have fill software control and it's excellent
OPT_1 thru OPT_# - FanCXpert2 does not control these fans


I would:

Use the 2 CPU headers to control the 2 fans on your AIO cooler

Using splitter cables and making sure total amp draw is < 1 amp

Use the CHA_1 header to control the 2 200mm intake fans
Use the CHA_2 header to control the 2 200mm exhaust fans
Use the CHA_3 header to control the 2 120mm fans

2. There is no reason to remove the armor at all, it is a totally unnecessary step and it will not interfere with anything

3. 4.4 is doable with a decent air cooler or AIO .... shame tho you can't expand it to cool ya MoBo Water Block. You might consider the Gene or Hero id not using this feature tho frankly I would have to recommend the MSI GD-65 over the Hero

4. 200MHz boost on GFX cards is possible but the 770 doesn't OC as much as the 760 and 780.... I have +200 Hz on the Asus 780 DCII (25%) with a 20% OC on memory. They are inder water but reviewers have gotten pretty high with these buggers.

5. 1 click overclocking works .... on most CPUs .... about 20% have to be done manually to get a stable OC and all do better with manual overclocks. Look at the Asus Z87 overclocking video on youtube....this can be done with just 3 or 4 BIOS setting changes.

6. Take the fan screws to a local Ace hardware or whatever and have them match up the size and threads..... after that ya can buy in boxes of 100 online for less money tho after shipping will prolly be same cost.
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post #192 of 945
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simply peel-off

its a rubber coat, no sanding or any preparation need for using plasti-dip, just clean it before and apply plasti-dip
Yah i think its better than spray paint.
post #193 of 945
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Originally Posted by Pahani View Post

Hello all! I'm brand-new to this Forum, and I haven't done a build in about 7 years......so the questions i have will be pretty rudimentary to you guys! Seen some amazing build pics in here!

I guess first off, my parts list...

Case: Thermaltake Overseer RX-1
CPU: 4770K
MB: Maximus VI Formula
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws Z 32GB CL10 2400 (yes, yes, I know it's too much....the 16GB kits I wanted kept being sold out....)
CPU cooler: Corsair H100i
GPU: EVGA GTX 770 4GB Classified
SSD: Samsung 840 Evo 1TB
HDD: Seagate 2TB 7200RPM Hybrid
PSU: Corsair AX860i

All BitFenix Spectre PRO fans:
200mm front intake
200mm side intake
200mm top exhaust X2
120mm rear exhaust
120mm bottom intake (I think 140mm will fit, will see)

Coming in April/May:
Klipsch KG-300 wireless headset
ASUS ROG Front Base http://pcdiy.asus.com/2014/01/rog-front-base-the-ultimate-5-25-bay-accessory-ces-2014/
ASUS ROG SWIFT http://pcdiy.asus.com/2014/01/pg278q-rog-swift-gaming-monitor-the-best-gaming-monitor/

The old ASUS 26" 1080p monitor I'm using now will become my second monitor.

I'm still waiting to buy the CPU and MB, so my questions are mostly because I don't have my MB in my hands yet.

My main concerns right now have to do with the fan wiring. With 6 case fans, my plan was to use all 6 case fan headers, does that sound good? I want maximum adjustability with Fan Xpert and with Front Base. And, how would you wire them given the above setup?

My second question is, does the ROG Armor get in the way of the fan headers? I can't tell from pics and from the MB diagram I've looked at. If it does, I'd need to install fan cable extensions to the MB, put the armor back on, socket the CPU, install it in my case, and then the extensions to the fans.

I'd like to see 4.0-4.2GHz on the CPU for daily use. Not looking for any records, just a fun, fast comp.
GPU should OC easily by 50-100 MHz.
RAM I'll set to XMP at 2400.

Obviously this is an Overclocking forum......but I'm lazy! Would the 1-click OC profiles with the Formula be enough to reach my target and be stable? Though I've built ONE PC before, I've never overclocked, and would like it to be as painless as possible.

Thanks for any replies!

P.S. Oh, and I'm actually pretty impressed with this case, especially catching it on sale for $80! BUT, the (front and top) 200mm BitFenix fans don't quite fit......I'll have to shave down the sides of the fans a bit with a Dremel. Also, the fan bolts are a different thread.....had to reuse the stock Thermaltake bolts instead of the ones from BitFenix. Anyone know where I can get more Thermaltake fan bolts?
Id recommend picking different type of fans. Though they may look nice, their air flow is not as good as the other fans out there,like corsair or cougar "cough".

Ai suite one click oc starts at 4.4ghz and depending on your chip it might not even work and you will get bsod. If you really want to just manually set it up. Haswell cpu boost to 3.9ghz so getting 4.0 is not even worth overclocking. 4.2 would be a start but you will have to manually do that.

Fan headers are nice but with pwm and using cpu fan header with fan split, u will be better that way.
Edited by ispure1008 - 3/11/14 at 3:40am
post #194 of 945
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Hmm - that seems to contradichat Linus found out. I'm at work atm, I'll dig out the vid tonight.

side note - The cynic in me is a little disbelieving of a memory manufacturer recommending a memory upgrade.

The problem with most RAM testing is what they test ....

1. They usually only use a small amount of games or programs, far too little to be meaningful..... 2-3% advantages are considered "meaningless".

2. An advantage may only manifest itself in certain games or programs..... for example, I remember when THG tested PCI-E bandwidth .... most games in SLI did within 2-3% on x8 as they did at x16 but STALKER stood out at 10%. Same thing with RAM.....some programs / games do take advantage of it.

3. Some test, like Anadtech focused on on board GFX whereas this has a huge effect, much of that effect disappears when using discrete cards.

4. They rarely test Min fps and this is where ya see faster RAM have a very significant effect...... I don't much care that 2400 gave me 2 % increase in average fps.....however, an increase of 5% in minimum fps is something significant.....and this is where we see faster RAM impacting performance moist significantly.

5. They always forget that RAM is part of a system.....when comparing say $200 1600 set with $220 2400 set in a $2000 system

a) "2400 RAM is not worth it cause it costs 10% more than 1600 and you only see an increase of 2-3% in average fps"....... dumb comparison
b) "2400 RAM may be worth it to you cause it increases system cost by 1% more than 1600 and you see an increase of 2-3% in average fps"....... relevant comparison
a) "2400 RAM may be worth it to you cause it increases system cost by 1% more than 1600 and you see an increase of 3-5% in minimum fps"....... on the money comparison
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post #195 of 945
Have an issue I could use some assistance with.

Last night I decided to re-seat my cpu cooler because my idle temps where 38-40 per core... so in the process I disconnected the gpu so it was not in the way. I go everything attached and cleaned out and put back together and try and boot and I now get an A2 IDE Detect on the mob, and not output to my monitor. First I tried different HDMI cables to make sure that the cable was ok. then I made sure the HDMI for the monitor worked by plugging in a different source (ps3) and it worked. By some miracle the monitor detected an output and I got into the Bios at one point and booted, as it got to windows loading screen the screen froze and lost input but the computer stayed running, this happened twice and now I am not able to get the monitor to read an input from the computer any longer. I then removed the GTX770 and tried to run on-board graphics just to see if that worked, no problem there, it loaded right up and got into windows fine. The GPU is Asus GTX770 and my green lights are on and fans are spinning so I know I have power.

Is there anything ells I should try before sending in the GPU for RMA? or does it sound like that is the only option? I have thought about upgrading BIOS/UEFI but the GPU was working fine on this set up before, not sure what ells to do. thought about resetting cmos, is it worth a shot? I'm just confused by the computer randomly deciding to send an output.

Thanks!
Edited by Phibz408 - 3/12/14 at 7:31am
post #196 of 945
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Originally Posted by Phibz408 View Post

Have an issue I could use some assistance with.

Last night I decided to re-seat my cpu cooler because my idle temps where 38-40 per core... so in the process I disconnected the gpu so it was not in the way. I go everything attached and cleaned out and put back together and try and boot and I now get an A2 IDE Detect on the mob, and not output to my monitor. First I tried different HDMI cables to make sure that the cable was ok. then I made sure the HDMI for the monitor worked by plugging in a different source (ps3) and it worked. By some miracle the monitor detected an output and I got into the Bios at one point and booted, as it got to windows loading screen the screen froze and lost input but the computer stayed running, this happened twice and now I am not able to get the monitor to read an input from the computer any longer. I then removed the GTX770 and tried to run on-board graphics just to see if that worked, no problem there, it loaded right up and got into windows fine. The GPU is Asus GTX770 and my green lights are on and fans are spinning so I know I have power.

Is there anything ells I should try before sending in the GPU for RMA? or does it sound like that is the only option? I have thought about upgrading BIOS/UEFI but the GPU was working fine on this set up before, not sure what ells to do. thought about resetting cmos, is it worth a shot? I'm just confused by the computer randomly deciding to send an output.

Thanks!

Did you try to re-seat the card?
post #197 of 945
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Did you try to re-seat the card?
Yes multiple times, as well as checked my 8pin and 6pin cables but i have green lights on the GPU and fans spinning indicating power just no output.
post #198 of 945
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Yes multiple times, as well as checked my 8pin and 6pin cables but i have green lights on the GPU and fans spinning indicating power just no output.

Did you try one of the other PCI-E slots?
post #199 of 945
Not yet, I'll have to try that this evening as well as clearing the cmos just to see if anything will get me going again. I really don't have the patience for RMA i just got the dang thing running last week.

Edit: i hope it isn't the PCI-E slot, the board having issues is worse than the GPU... fingers crossed
post #200 of 945
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Not yet, I'll have to try that this evening as well as clearing the cmos just to see if anything will get me going again. I really don't have the patience for RMA i just got the dang thing running last week.

Edit: i hope it isn't the PCI-E slot, the board having issues is worse than the GPU... fingers crossed

You could try updating the BIOS as well. I've also seen people have to reinstall their OS when searching around. I'd just make sure everything is really secure. SATA, power, etc. make sure it's in AHCI mode etc. I'm sure you already did all of that but doesn't hurt to do it again. Lol.
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