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do you have the fans raised off the rad? raised as in, there is a gap between the fans and rad? if there is it wont be a lot of efficient. it will pull air from between the rad and fans as thats the least amount of resistance to get air from.
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do you have the fans raised off the rad? raised as in, there is a gap between the fans and rad? if there is it wont be a lot of efficient. it will pull air from between the rad and fans as thats the least amount of resistance to get air from.

The Caselabs case for this build is aluminum (~4mm thick iirc) so will need those longer screws when actually mounting to the case, but yeah will need to use 30mm screws just to put the fans to rad on the other side and secure them without gaps and without puncturing a rad (not likely with an Alphacool but is still possible).
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do you have the fans raised off the rad? raised as in, there is a gap between the fans and rad? if there is it wont be a lot of efficient. it will pull air from between the rad and fans as thats the least amount of resistance to get air from.

I should has mentioned that I did not tighten the screws up all the way, as I just put the fans on for the photo. Thanks for mentioning that but the fans weren't placed all the way down. I actually just used the stock fan screws. smile.gif
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How did this happen?
You got a 4 page build log without my knowledge and permission?
Well, subbed dammit! biggrin.gif

Get back to building and get us some pix, and I mean NOW!
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Hi guys,

SO I ended up getting like another 5 fans so I could set at least 1 rad up in push pull and give it a test. I had a look this time at how much room I had and found that the screws I was provided were a little long. Then if I add the washers (seen in picture below) they become even more of an issue. What I wanted to ask was do I need to add the washers in the config? I have included a picture below to indicate the washers that I am talking about. I mean looking at the way they will sit, they certainly will NOT allow the rad and fan to be snug, there is a tiny gap, obviously the width of the washer itself. Is this necessary at all? Does having this tiny gap interfere with the airflow??

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

Also, I need to measure the gap in between the screw hole and the safety panel on the Alphacool Rad, then the fan, rubber noise blocker and washer (if necessary) to get an acurate screw length. If anyone has done this and can help me with a size, that would be great.

So, I have decided to go with the 4 rad config in the end, but due to the restrictions on the Case Labs TH10, I will NOT be able to use 4x60mm rads as there is only 90mm clearance below the MOBO tray. I'm sweet on the rest as there is ample room, seen below.

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post #68 of 92
Alphacool rads come with enough 30mm screws for one side of the rad, and 35mm screws for the other.

The 30mm screws work for screwing just the fan to the rad & also through thin cases. The 35mm screws are for also screwing the fan to the rad through thicker cases, gaskets, grills, etc.

If your caselabs case isn't thick enough to be able to use the 35mm screws, instead of the washers provided with the noiseblockers then you might want to use a gasket instead, like these ...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17863/ex-rad-467/XSPC_4_x_120mm_Radiator_Gasket_-_3mm.html

Or you could just buy a bunch more M3 x 30mm screws. That's what I wound up doing in any case as some of my Alphacool rads came with copper screws and some with black, and though the copper screws are a nice touch they just didn't look right to me and I for sure wanted everything to match.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 3/2/14 at 9:22pm
post #69 of 92
About the fan washers:
I am not sure of the purpise of those washers. But if they are intended to decouple the fan for vibration dampening, it would make more sense to have to washers installed between the screw heads and the fan itself, not between the fan and frame/rad.

About the Alphacool screw lenght:
The gap between the rad screw taps and screw protectors can actually vary from rad to rad, and even from side to side on the same rad. So measuring mine would do no good for you. Generally, you measure the thickness of the stuff you will be attaching to the rad and add an other 5mm. For example if all you want to bolt on is a 25mm thick fan, you just use the 30mm screws provided (the shorter ones).

If your screws are just a little too long for your need, you can always put some washers under the head of the screws to compensate for the extra lenght. If your screws are too short, well, you are screwed (pun intended)

On one side of my rads, I have only the 25mm fans, so I used the 30mm screws for that. On the other side, I have the rad bracket from CS, the 25mm fans, and some fan grills. So my 35mm longer screws supplied by Alphacool just fit perfectly there.

And you will be putting 4x 480 rads in your case? That is a HUGE amount of raddage dude, and all in p/p too? Gawd man, you should be ashamed of complaining that you can't have all 60mm rads. Shame on you! biggrin.gif

And I had to make some fairings to allow my rads to stick out on both sides of my STH10. I just miscalculated my rad thickness so I had to do this in order to preserve p/p on all my rads and have comfortable room between rads to allow for good air flow, cabling, and piping. Here's the result. Not seen is the Demciflex dust filter that will cover the whole thing:

I don't know if this idea is good, or not, for you if you want to preserve all 60mm rads.
I was afraid it would look ugly. But they look like they were factory installed and they actually break up the otherwise minimalist industrial square look of the CS case. Maybe the idea doesn't help you, but it doesn't hurt to throw it out there.

I know this is your first build, and so you have nothing to really compare it to. But how do you like your 'little' TH10 so far?

Edit: the 'little' abjective for the TH10 was obviously sarcastic. That freaking thing is a monster, as in my STH10.
Edited by PepeLapiu - 3/2/14 at 10:10pm
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And just curious. How are you planning your airflow in that monster of a case with 'only' 3 60mm rads and a 30mm?
And that would be a total of 32 fans just for the rads. How are you gonna power up and control them? Aquaero, or Lamptron?
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