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Originally Posted by Newbie2009 View Post

AMD sucks for not releasing it now.
AMD releases it now AMD sucks because it does not take into account people who cannot install a driver.

Mantle sucks because it's not made by Nvidia.

Good summary of the thread?

no, not really.

It's good practice to ignore/skip over the ignorant posters throwing tantrums because they get the tingling feeling in the e-peen
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Originally Posted by Clukos View Post

Also something something Nvidia, and Titan.

I own three titans, yet do don't conform to your analysis of "nvidia fan boy" posters. Just thought I would drop that line.

People seem so hell bent on turning every thread into a QQ bash. It comes from both sides of the line, & serves no purpose. Some one posts bashing mantle, some one then posts a response bashing them for bashing mantle, some one else posts bashing both of them for bashing amd & mantle, some one else then posts with the quintessential "gawd nvidia fanboy, something something nvidia, & titan" get your heads out of the gutter, & focus on what is actually happening in the thread for once. Ignore the cry babies, & pay attention to the facts

Brand loyalty is a detriment to the person holding it. DX11 is a shriveled up old hag, which needs to be put down. MANTLE is the first attempt @ doing so in a long time. Every person who owns a GPU should be supporting it, & AMD.

I never understood this. DirectX is the Windows of the API world.

Is there a reason why people are unfairly bashing DirectX? Was there some article I missed that had facts to back up that DirectX 11 is hyper bloated and useless?
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You are probably refering to 49x0 paired with a 260X that sees like 2% performance increase-the sandy extreme is paired with 2x290X-quite different case, you'll agree.

which is even more confusing because AMD them selves released a statement saying that x-fire is broken in the first release.

I don't really understand how anyone could expect a "full release" of mantle API. AMD has given multiple road maps showing the progression of mantle. It's also a piece of software, software almost always releases in a beta state. Just no winning for some people, I don't really understand why anyone would wish this endeavor to fail.
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I never understood this. DirectX is the Windows of the API world.

Is there a reason why people are unfairly bashing DirectX? Was there some article I missed that had facts to back up that DirectX 11 is hyper bloated and useless?

DirectX has been bashed upon for a long time. Mostly due to how much work it takes to get games running on more than 1 or 2 cores/threads. It's hard to tell if what's been released recently is advertising/hype, or facts. The oxide demo is the biggest thing iv'e ever seen showing the problems with directX. When they pan to show the whole fleet the FPS drops down to 3-5. They then run it again with mantle and it only drops down to 20-30fps... Only time will tell if DirectX is as bad as AMD is saying it is.

I'm sure everyone has read how much the developers supposedly hate DirectX @ this point, & how they have been begging for an alternative. Once again, the recent supply of this info comes from AMD, so it's hard to tell. I know very few programmers, but all of them hate directX & have high hopes for Mantle.
Edited by skupples - 1/30/14 at 12:55pm
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this is midrange in a multiplayer setting:

CPU: AMD FX-8350, 8 cores @ 4 GHz
GPU: AMD Radeon 7970 3 GB (AMD will add support for the AMD Radeon™ HD 7970 in a later stage of Mantle’s release schedule, learn more(link-http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/mantle/Pages/mantle.aspx) [amd.com]
Settings: 1080p ULTRA 1x MSAA
OS: Windows 8 64-bit
Level: Siege of Shanghai
Level was tested with 64 “pseudo players” that we have for our own internal testing that simulates heavy game workload that we have in multiplayer in order to get more deterministic results compared to full real multiplayer. 64 players on the large Battlefield levels is really demanding of the CPU so this test case is primarily CPU-bound.
Result: 18.87 ms/f -> 15.08 ms/f = 25.1% faster

Just show me a benchmark that shows a 64 player REAL multiplayer setup using before and after tests with mantle and show me a genuine performance upgrade like what amd promised and ill take everything back.

Up until now all amd seem to be able to show us in the majority of these benchmarks is at best 10% improvement, and even then thats in singleplayer. Nvidia drivers give you that improvement more oftan than not every driver update! doh.gif
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Im not trying to stir up trouble, but you gotta admit AMD are taking the mickey out of us here.

First they say r9 290x will beat Titan, and sometimes it did HOWEVER it ran so stupidly hot and loud that it had to underclcok itself.

Then they release awful driver after driver, what was it like 12 times they update the 13.xx drivers and they still sucked.

Afterwards AMD takes forever to release aftermarket gpus just to make it so they dont underclock themselfs all the damm time.

Now they release mantle, after initially claiming HUGE improvements in graphics performance, and all I see is singleplayer results that are totally irrelevant. Contrary to what people on here might claim, nobody and I mean NOBODY on this forum runs a r9 290x with a cheap AMD cpu such as a 7700K or a cheap intel dual core cpu. So why pre tell would AMD release mantle, and only show us singleplayer results and useless benchmarks with ridiculously mismatched components that nobody uses?

it seems pretty obvious to me: The multiplayer improvements are going to be none existent for the vast majority of people.

How do I know this? Because this is AMD and they do this everytime (fabricate results or just plain lie and get everyone;s hopes up).

Fixed....

The R9 290x beats the 780.
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which is even more confusing because AMD them selves released a statement saying that x-fire is broken in the first release.

Source?
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Source?

Yea, I have been asking for sources from AMD telling us to expect a broken or incomplete release PRIOR to today...

So far no one has been able to produce one.

Heck, a simple "Heads up, Mantle will be a partial release and beta. Some features not fully supported on release" from Cave Man Jim would have worked.
    
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Like this?

"We are putting the finishing touches on the AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta driver, which enables support for Mantle. We appreciate your patience."

https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon
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Source?

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Yea, I have been asking for sources from AMD telling us to expect a broken or incomplete release PRIOR to today...

So far no one has been able to produce one.

Heck, a simple "Heads up, Mantle will be a partial release and beta. Some features not fully supported on release" from Cave Man Jim would have worked.

sure, i'll find it. it's only been linked 10 times by now. The most recent source being the Pc Perspective article, which has an OFFICIAL AMD website with known issues, & bug complaint system.
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Like this?

"We are putting the finishing touches on the AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta driver, which enables support for Mantle. We appreciate your patience."

https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon

That was 3 hours ago, not prior to the release.....AMD can say whatever they want after the release, that doesn't set expectations prior to and ON release!

Oh, and "finishing touches" doesn't even remotely imply "incomplete" or "beta". So even if that was said PRIOR to the release, it would have only made the situation worse. As how could you honestly say "Putting on the finishing touches" and then when it is released go "Oh, its beta btw, it isn't finished.".

Seriously....think about that.
    
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Brand loyalty is a detriment to the person holding it.

It is amazing how few actually understand this thumb.gif
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