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I wonder what kind of improvement I will see with my 1090T and HD7950?

When the drivers come out run Star Sawrm and post your results. I would be interested in seeing them.
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here you go.

source.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Catalyst-141-Beta-Driver-Brings-Mantle-Support-Frame-Pacing-Phase-2-HSA

http://www.amd.com/mantleknownissues

this will go live once they push the new drivers.
no.

You mean that one? The one dated January 30th 2014?

*looks at clock*

Pretty sure that is today.
    
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I will run that Star Swarm before and after Mantle for a comparative.
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@ PostalTwinkle, can you tell me how much cpu usage you get in mp BF4 ? because when i had my 2500k with cf 7970's it was using 100% cpu usage. Changing to a 3770k gave me a 20% performance increase. Maybe with mantle it would relieve your cpu bottleneck
so you might get a decent performance boost.
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Well then why get involved in the conversation that was being had?

Here, I will bring you up to speed so you are aware of what is going on in this particular conversation, as I do want you to understand.

I made a comment about Mantle being disappointing due to how incomplete it is, and the fact that drivers haven't even been released yet, even though they "released" Mantle. Another user made the assertion that we were told PRIOR to release that when Mantle came out it would be beta, and incomplete.

At that point I stated I had been following Mantle from the start and that AMD and DICE made no indication, and gave us no reason to believe, that on "release" it would be an incomplete beta release. I then asked for a source from either AMD or DICE that was given to the public BEFORE TODAY, that would have given us reason to believe it wasn't a full release. That it was indeed an incomplete beta release.

No one has been able to provide that dated announcement, only posting comments from DICE and AMD today.

In short, I made a comment about the disappointing release, people wigged out and said we should have expected it and that we were told. I asked for that information to be produced, and no one can do that, instead wigging out on me.

The PCPER article I linked contains information saying that mantle will be a "beta release" & it's not from today. It also contains the information showing that x-fire is a known issue, along with portrait mode, & a few other things.

As to people talking about "an nvidia response"

two things...

A.) nvidia already has it's own API, it's been around for a long time now. It's called NVAPI.
B.) The only thing nvidia should do in regards to a response is adapt the technology.

I have a fear that Nvidia may respond by pushing the new openGL extensions. I have this fear because John Carmack has been raving about them, in direct comparison to Mantle for months now.

No Change - DirectX Primary Support: Most Likely
Adding OpenGL Extensions: Likely
Create a CTM API: Possible
Other: Unlikely
Joining Mantle: Very Unlikely

NVAPI is misunderstood, and has nothing to do with any of this.
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NVAPI FEATURE CATEGORIES

Driver Management
Initialization and driver version controls.
GPU Management
Enumeration of physical and logical GPUs. Thermal and Cooling controls.
Display Management
Enumeration of NVDIA displays, display postion and timings controls.
GPU Topology
Ability to enable SLI and Hybrid GPU topologies.*
Frame Rendering
Ability to control Video and DX rendering not available in DX runtime.*
System Management
Ability to query chipset and system specific information.
HDTV Controls
HDTV format and overscan controls.*
Video Controls
Extended video engine controls.*
Connecting and Configuring Monitors
Ability to set views on multiple target monitors.
GPU Overclocking
GPU overclocking APIs allows apps to run apps at maximum possible clocks.
https://developer.nvidia.com/nvapi
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When the drivers come out run Star Sawrm and post your results. I would be interested in seeing them.
You mean that one? The one dated January 30th 2014?

*looks at clock*

Pretty sure that is today.

tongue.gif

it released before midnight EST last night, so, while dated January 30th, was view-able before the 30th.

It's not our fault you bought into the advertising hype.
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No Change - DirectX Primary Support: Most Likely
Adding OpenGL Extensions: Likely
Create a CTM API: Possible
Other: Unlikely
Joining Mantle: Very Unlikely

NVAPI is misunderstood, and has nothing to do with any of this.
https://developer.nvidia.com/nvapi

agreed.

Carmack spouting off about the benefits of the new OGL extensions isn't happenstance.
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This is the official AMD statement:
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We want to convey that this is only the initial release of Mantle. Mantle will continue to grow, evolve and improve in the months ahead. As an initial release, however, there is a list of known issues we are tracking. Everyone in the Mantle ecosystem is working to identify the root cause of these problems, and to resolve them as quickly as possible. As they are resolved, we and our partners will be issuing new drivers and patches as necessary!

We felt it best to get users working with and providing feedback on Mantle as soon as possible, rather than hold the entire launch for select scenarios that aren’t performing up to our expectations. The known issues will be posted for all to see at www.amd.com/mantleknownissues, and attached you will find the complete list.

Now when that statement was actually released to the public I don't know, but the media certainly had it before today...
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tongue.gif

it released before midnight EST last night, so, while dated January 30th, was view-able before the 30th.

It's not our fault you bought into the advertising hype.
agreed.

Carmack spouting off about the benefits of the new OGL extensions isn't happenstance.

I never said I bought into the hype.

I did say I was disappointed in how AMD and DICE handled this, and how shady they have been about it. I was online until about 9 PM PST last night looking for Mantle information, and didn't come across anything. So frankly; even IF that was released just before midnight EST, an under the radar midnight hour clandestine post from a third party on the eve of their product launch isn't really disclosure.

The fact that the only and STRONGEST argument about their behavior is a post dated TODAY, but supposedly live just before MIDNIGHT is pretty sad. If anything it drives the point home further.
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This is the official AMD statement:
Now when that statement was actually released to the public I don't know, but the media certainly had it before today...

Link is down, AMD's website is having some problems today.

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Although I believe I viewed it earlier and it was a post from today.
    
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You people are going craaaazzzzyyy over this lol.

Take a deep breath. Exhale. (Works best with your eyes closed.)
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Actually I have sold them to my business for its mining rig. That way I avoid the eBay and Paypal fees, can charge whatever I want to my own business. I can even have my business order my 780 Tis, and write them off in inventory.

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What I find amazing is everyone being stuck on the cherry picked, from AMD and DICE, absolute high end scenarios. As Forceman said, it isn't the high end numbers that you are going to notice the most, but the lower end numbers.

Sorry, but a 2% to cherry picked 45%+ isn't showing of great news! That is an absolutely massive swing in numbers, huge! You don't want that, that isn't good!

As Alatar, myself, and a few others have said; we happily await independent results on the matter.

I also point out again, that really high number was at 1080P with 290X in crossfire! I hope to god you weren't struggle with that setup at that resolution before Mantle, if you were something was really wrong!

Yes but you still pay out of pocket......your point? I also run a PC Business (Brick and mortar, not just a "eBay Business") no matter what your paying for them. Yes you can write them off, but only if they where strictly for the business. Anything else would be a felony and im pretty sure we are not supposed to discuss such things here. thumb.gif

I have to ask if your so big in the industry, why own a measly 2500k? A big boss such as yourself should be rocking something more than a budget rig right? With all do respect of course, i was just curious.
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