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CPU Limited != CPU Bottleneck

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2. a place or stage in a process at which progress is impeded.

Let me know if you still have doubts...
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CPU Limited != CPU Bottleneck

Seems you need an understanding of the word...
Quote:
bot·tle·neck
[bot-l-nek]Show IPA
noun
2. a place or stage in a process at which progress is impeded.

Let me know if you still have doubts...

You are absolutely correct on the definition, with your sarcasm intended for me, you just got blindsided by your own comment a few posts back:
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Are you confusing poor threading/poor CPU utilization as a CPU Bottleneck?

Well, it is technically a developer induced CPU bottleneck.

Thereby making it a software "bottleneck" creating CPU limited/bound situations. Overclocking the CPU or even replacing entirely won't remove the bottleneck, so how is it a "CPU bottleneck"?

That is what Mantle is all about. Trying something different, different CPU usage, GPU DRAW_CALLs etc.
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Seems you need an understanding of the word...
Let me know if you still have doubts...

If you can't reasonably improve performance by replacing the cpu with a better one, its pretty misleading to call it a cpu bottleneck. CPU limited is a much more accurate expression.
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You are absolutely correct on the definition, with your sarcasm intended for me, you just got blindsided by your own comment a few posts back:
Thereby making it a software "bottleneck" creating CPU limited/bound situations. Overclocking the CPU or even replacing entirely won't remove the bottleneck, so how is it a bottleneck?
Are developers that can't be bothered to multithread DX really going to support mantle?
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CPU Limited != CPU Bottleneck

Sure, anyone can be CPU limited, a game maybe limited to 1 FPS if the engine makes it so.

You don't even know what "bottleneck" means. If adding CPU power/enhancements you get better performance you're CPU bottlenecked. i.e:

Running an AMD CPU and changing to an Intel one and seeing how your FPS is boosted.
Running an Intel CPU and changing to a newer gen.
Running an Intel CPU and overclocking it.

With that given code the problem is most of the time your CPU.

Anyway you're just proving my point. You find no problem with your CPU running crappy code and leaving your GPUs with low loads. Mantle is fixing that. It made a really well threaded game even better removing the crappy DX path.
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You are absolutely correct on the definition, with your sarcasm intended for me, you just got blindsided by your own comment a few posts back:
Thereby making it a software "bottleneck" creating CPU limited/bound situations.

Not at all, hence why I said developer induced CPU bottleneck. It is both a software and hardware based bottleneck. The software component is due to the poor threading, the hardware end is the single thread being limited by the single CPU core capacity.
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If you can't reasonably improve performance by replacing the cpu with a better one, its pretty misleading to call it a cpu bottleneck. CPU limited is a much more accurate expression.

It's the CPU what's feeding the GPU and not the other way around. If the CPU can't keep the GPU fed it's a CPU bottleneck.
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If you can't reasonably improve performance by replacing the cpu with a better one, its pretty misleading to call it a cpu bottleneck. CPU limited is a much more accurate expression.

Honestly, what is the distinction? Whether the single core is "limited" or whether all cores are taxed and the CPU is "bottlenecked" the end result is the same. If IPC of a single thread can be increased by replacing the CPU then does that not imply that a bottleneck exists when a single core is "limited"?
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You are absolutely correct on the definition, with your sarcasm intended for me, you just got blindsided by your own comment a few posts back:
Thereby making it a software "bottleneck" creating CPU limited/bound situations. Overclocking the CPU or even replacing entirely won't remove the bottleneck, so how is it a bottleneck?
Are developers that can't be bothered to multithread DX really going to support mantle?

That's what a lot of us are unsure of. Is Mantle easier enough to encourage programmers to essentially figure it out/stop being lazy.
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CPU Limited != CPU Bottleneck

Sure, anyone can be CPU limited, a game maybe limited to 1 FPS if the engine makes it so.

You don't even know what "bottleneck" means. If adding CPU power/enhancements you get better performance you're CPU bottlenecked. i.e:

Running an AMD CPU and changing to an Intel one and seeing how your FPS is boosted.
Running an Intel CPU and changing to a newer gen.
Running an Intel CPU and overclocking it.

With that given code the problem is most of the time your CPU.

Anyway you're just proving my point. You find no problem with your CPU running crappy code and leaving your GPUs with low loads. Mantle is fixing that. It made a really well threaded game even better removing the crappy DX path.

I claimed I had no problem? I believe I claimed I had no CPU bottleneck. Which I don't, I barely have a single title I am CPU bound/limited in due to crappy programming at 5.1 GHz on my 3770K.

Mantle doesn't fix anything, at least not yet. Mantle requires people to do good threading/optimizations, which arguably can be done in DirectX 11, if anybody was willing to do the work.
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You are absolutely correct on the definition, with your sarcasm intended for me, you just got blindsided by your own comment a few posts back:
Thereby making it a software "bottleneck" creating CPU limited/bound situations.

Not at all, hence why I said developer induced CPU bottleneck. It is both a software and hardware based bottleneck. The software component is due to the poor threading, the hardware end is the single thread being limited by the single CPU core capacity.

I don't know what else to tell you other than you are wrong because your concept of what is a "bottleneck" is confused.
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I don't know what else to tell you other than you are wrong because your concept of what is a "bottleneck" is confused.

Oh, the irony...
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