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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

YES!

now would you like to keep the prizes you have already won or do you risk it all for whats behind door #2 to answer the question:

is DirectX software or hardware?

con•de•scen•sion

1. an act or instance of condescending.
2. behavior that is patronizing or condescending.
3. voluntary assumption of equality with a person regarded as inferior.


Thought i would save you the trouble of looking it up for when people tell you that's what you are guilty of thumb.gif

Looking forward to my mantle biggrin.gif:D:D
see its the negative attitude express towards others without trying to understand what is being pointed out thats the problem here.

its one thing if you care to view my attempted humorous response as being condescending but it is entirely a different matter to infer that my vocabulary and possible intelligence lacks knowing its definition.

i did rather well in all my college comp and lit classes. (20 years ago) so as much as i appreciate your attempt at being helpful, its not necessary. thumb.gif
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DayZ standalone gobbles up to 90% of core #1 on my 4.5Ghz 4770K, I pray to the sweet gaming overlords mantle can help with this mess.

Mantle wont help with that.

That is just bad programming. Games like that I don't buy.
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Sorely dissapointed.

We needed the new API, the better use of CPU resources, but mantle GCN acceleration? The only reason this is pulling close to 10% performance gains in bf4 is because it's CPU limited at times, at least for some slow frames, even on such a hardware setup.

This isn't some 15 or 30% that AMD fans hyped it up to be, and i don't remember mantle being advertised as "uses cpu really efficiently!! oh and it also might boost radeon by a few %" at GPU14 or other events.

It seems the main feature of mantle (more efficient usage of cpu) will be thrown to all GPU users, while the gcn acceleration is hardly relevant.

Of course, if the CPU stuff is radeon only.. 120hz users would be forced to go AMD GPU, because 4670k+mantle+280x would outperform 4770k+dual780ti if they were trying to target a smooth 120fps in Battlefield 4, due to CPU limits exposed here. It would also be a massive blow to the ecosystem
Zomg it didn't meet the expectations of all of the hype-sters? Rumors are rumors and this is just the beginning of Mantle. Don't jump to conclusions based on early releases. Look at a BF4. Unplayable dish of garbage and now it's at least playable.

Mantle is purely software. It works on the 7xxx series and newer cards, possibly supporting Nvidia cards in the future, and all you need it to install the drivers to get 10 extra frames? Count me in. This forum consists of enthusiasts who will enjoy any percentage increase in their hardware.
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Planetside 2 uses well north of 25% on my CPU. There's one.
Uh... No.

Mantle is a low-level API that requires driver support. While they are trying to re-do all the custom commands in OpenGL as well, that only removes the dependence on the API, not on the driver.

Also, everything OpenGL side would be Arch Specific, just like Mantle's API.

Are you using a quad-core? if so, that's one core... Are you using a 6 core? So, 1.5 core... Are you using an 8 core? OK! Now we are @ 2 cores. Right @ where my statement began. an mmo that uses more than two cores

I can name one. Star Citizen.

Cyron,
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120hz users would be forced to go AMD GPU, because 4670k+mantle+280x would outperform 4770k+dual780ti if they were trying to target a smooth 120fps in Battlefield 4

two 780Ti's demolish bf4 on a 120hz+ panel...
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AMD taking responsibility for their horrible IPC. Devising solution to alleviate AMD cpu bottlenecks.

IPC means absolutely nothing when clock speeds are high enough, case in point with Phenom II...The FX-8350 is generally faster when overclocked because it can make up for the lower IPC.

Same with the 7850k vs an i5 for example, the i5 has vastly higher IPC but the 7850k generally outclocks them meaning to catch up AMD doesn't need to increase IPC quite to Intel levels. Intel has successfully started the clock speed and then the IPC myth...Eugh.
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Originally Posted by Cyro999 View Post

Sorely dissapointed.

We needed the new API, the better use of CPU resources, but mantle GCN acceleration? The only reason this is pulling close to 10% performance gains in bf4 is because it's CPU limited at times, at least for some slow frames, even on such a hardware setup.

This isn't some 15 or 30% that AMD fans hyped it up to be, and i don't remember mantle being advertised as "uses cpu really efficiently!! oh and it also might boost radeon by a few %" at GPU14 or other events.

It seems the main feature of mantle (more efficient usage of cpu) will be thrown to all GPU users, while the gcn acceleration is hardly relevant.

Of course, if the CPU stuff is radeon only.. 120hz users would be forced to go AMD GPU, because 4670k+mantle+280x would outperform 4770k+dual780ti if they were trying to target a smooth 120fps in Battlefield 4, due to CPU limits exposed here. It would also be a massive blow to the ecosystem

The main benefit of it was always for better CPU utilization...Of course it's mainly going to show in CPU bottlenecked games. Only a few people who were getting carried away acted like it'd be massive in every game.

What's not good about the latter? Those of us with HD7950s, R9 290Xs, GTX 770s, GTX 780Tis, etc already generally have enough performance, those running a 4 core AMD APU in a laptop or HTPC could use the extra performance. Not to mention, a 280X and 4670k is far cheaper than dual 780Tis alone which just means cheaper systems that can run 120Hz/4k/whatever which is only good for PC gaming. nVidia needs to work on something to compete/adopt Mantle support or the like. (Hopefully if AMD makes it at least semi-open so we can actually make sure they're not unfairly hobbling nVidia cards with it, of course.)
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Wasn't Mantle supposed to be mostly used with console ports (read: GPU bottlenecked games) because the "code is mostly compatible" and because "mantle makes porting easy"?

If that's the case then the biggest group of games mantle targets isn't going to see much benefit.

10% on a 4960X with an 290X, still decent. It'll make porting easier because the ideas/psuedocode behind certain optimizations is (Afaik) compatible even if the code actually isn't. (Which I'm honestly not sure about)
It means we'd likely have less bad console ports and that games that actually bother to max out a CPU (eg. MMORPG, RTS, TBS) would see a decent performance benefit from using it, with some games that don't see a benefit stock maybe seeing one modded. (Eg. Stock Skyrim is even more GPU bottlenecked than modded Skyrim in certain places for me...If Bethesda make a 64bit, Mantle enabled and multi-threaded TES VI/Fallout 4 the sky is really the limit for modding when you consider what they're doing with a 32bit engine that only really uses 2 CPU cores at best.
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Are developers that can't be bothered to multithread DX really going to support mantle?

I believe Mantle is easier to multi-thread than DX.
    
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So...where are the 14.1 beta drivers zzzzzz
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Drivers are nowhere to be seen.
bf4 has extreme netcode problems.
Just found out tick rate is 10
I might never play bf4 again.
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Drivers are nowhere to be seen.
bf4 has extreme netcode problems.
Just found out tick rate is 10
I might never play bf4 again.


You just now found out about the "10 tick" ? I'm pretty sure this has been the case in Battlefield for many iterations of the game.
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Where are the drivers?
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Where are the drivers?

in a safe for another 24-48 hours.

it has yet to be substantiated, but a few people are claiming those lenovo 13.x drivers are actually working. Two people in the other mantle thread have reported massive gains in performance. They how ever, have yet to link any proof. before & after screenshots/benches...

I guess two versions were leaked? idk, the AMD reps have already shot down them being legit, so i'm not sure what these guys are talking about. tongue.gif
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