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well im happy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickos View Post

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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Mmm, paranoia is good, just back it up with proof ok?

The grand majority of programs are actually portable and do not require any registry entries to work properly. Almost all setting and user data is saved under Users, in AppData or Documents, NOT Wolf of Wall Street The exception are ones that either install to PATH, or are assosiated with file types.

Also this would not be copy/pasting the driver.

Everything you complained/warned about was covered under the "Install drivers" and "Install programs" steps. Read more carefully next time.

EDIT: Oh and I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. My last 10 or 12 installs have all been done this way over the past few years, including upgrades from Windows 7 to 8, to 8.1, back to 8, motherboard change, CPU change, HDD change, the works. It has not failed once. The trick is to find the few files that DO need to be installed rather than copied.


OK then lets show some proof for those without "paranoia"
the following programms of mine have essential files in the hidden folder "ProgramData" :

Samsung SSD Magician (utility for SSD)
Snagit
Skype
Registry Reviver
Revo Uninstaller
Xilisoft Converter
Mysql Server
Eset Smart Security
Most of the Asus software utilities for my motherboard
Daemon Tools Lite
...

And that's only some of my programs. Your method and every guide is not for everybody. So it's not strange that you're always OK with your method because everyone uses a specific set of programs. The problem is that you don't understand that not everybody has the exact same software (portable or installed) as you do. And there is high probability of missing dlls or registry entries with your method.

But I guess you don't care for that because IT WORKS FOR YOU (or some of your friends)... Right?

For gods sake even if you copy all the files of the system, even then it's not going to work properly most of the times.

So do some homework as programmer and you'll see that in Windows OS not everything is portable (just copying some of it's files) but quite the opposite. End of story.

You should give advices about other people's systems more carefully, or just say "at your own risk".

No, you simply need to get better at reading. Lets quote my original steps.
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I honestly don't see why not. It takes me 3 hours to re-install Windows, including games, programs, drivers, and settings for them all.

Copy "Users" "Program Files" and "Program Files x86" to another drive along with anything special you want.

Pre-download all the drivers and any programs that need file type association. Put in folder on another drive.

Reinstall windows.

Install drivers. Reboot.

Install programs. Copy folders back. Reboot.

Done.

Whole process should take under 5 hours even without SSDs and installing windows from DVD. People spend more time diagnosing the problem, just nuke it and start over.

I'm guessing you just completely skipped over that.

While we're on the topic of programs that should be installed and not copied, how about anything you want to start up with your computer?

Steam
Start8
Origin
Samsung Magician
IceChat

Things that require file association?

Paint.Net
Chrome
FireFox

Interestingly, unless you want to start from scratch, do you know how you get all your settings back for these programs? After installing them, you copy over your Users file, specifically AppData.

All of which I covered if you had just read my original post fully instead of seeing copy/paste and freaking out. Windows is not the complicated spiderweb everyone thinks it is, and you will not break it by copying some things. In fact, most of your programs could be run off the copied data on the space drive without even copying them back. For the most part they run either on .NET, redistributable libraries, or the files in their own directory. Not something they store in an obscure location.

Experience trumps theory, and with years of working with Windows both formal training and non as well as access to full-fledged TechNet and years of moving systems around hard drives, and other upgrades, I've got plenty of experience. It speaks volumes that I no longer Ghost drives because it's simply faster to do it this way. Drive shuffling is no big deal.
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Both of you guys are going off topic.

FYI, you can sysprep a Windows Install and turn it into an image called a WIM. It will retain all settings, all files, and even user accounts if you want. You can sysprep once, a deploy to many machines even.

Takes about 30 minutes to deploy an image and it is Microsoft Best Practice. So take a clean install, fancy it up however you want, then just sysprep it. Never have to do a clean install from scratch unless you want to.

I am happy to report that in the case of BF4, my performance has gone up about 13%. They did a very good job with this patch.

WIM is best in office scenarios with dozens on computers that do not have personal files. While it is a good way for initial deployment, it does not do a good job of saving things like program settings AFTER you have installed. My method is more or less a free-hand on the fly deployment, but it's also done at time of reinstall, not whenever you first build the comp.

It's also based around a single comp and is basicly just backing everything up, which is fine since it's intended use is only for that one reinstall.


It really is good to hear that everyone is positive about Mantle. Almost seems unreal having this much in favor of a new beta thing, doesn't it?
Edited by KyadCK - 2/2/14 at 9:15am
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There is 60000000 million million mantle threads so I thought I'd post this in each see if it helps or is wrong and gets clarified:

After a round of 64 player Paracel Storm with mantle:

1440p True Ultra aka w/hbao 4msaa/ post high/ render 100%

Min:129.53 (4.21ms)
Max:237.53(7.72ms)
Avg:146.82(6.811ms)


Here is how to generate the benchmark and analyze it so far from what I think I figured out.


guide: ignore quotes do not type them
In game

1) press "`"

2.) type "perfoverlay.framefilelogenable 1"
do not add this to your user cfg as the data it generates while it loads is useless, wait til your in game and spawned.

3.) prior to exiting the game type ""perfoverlay.framefilelogenable 0"
if you don't do this the data at the end of your file will have huge numbers that are useless.

4.) once out of game navigate to the documents/Battlefield 4 folder and you should see a FrameTimeLog.csv file

5.) open this up with excel or libre office calc (it's free)

you should have a file that looks like this:

jh60.jpg

that first column A is all you really care about (I think for fps):

so just go use the following calcs to get min max and avg
where XX is the number of your last row in A
find an empty cell and type

"MIN(A1:AXX)"

in another empty cell type
"MAX(A1:AXX)"


in another empty cell type
"AVERAGE(A1:AXX)"



in the above pic it would look like
MIN(A1:A14)


That will give you the frametime avg,max,min in ms, now:
DIVIDE 1000 BY the MIN MAX AVG in ms ETC.. TO GET the min max avg FPS

Hope that helps. feel free to correct and/or add info and yes you could graph it as well if you want.
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Thank you the9quad, was much easier than the derp method I was using. + rep.
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Mantle... who cares...
it seems after the last update all known sound problem appeared! I had tried all solution I heard to fix it... NO PLAY without a sound!
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Mantle... who cares...
it seems after the last update all known sound problem appeared! I had tried all solution I heard to fix it... NO PLAY without a sound!

The issue appears to be server side caused.
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Maxed out, I used to dip into the 50's on 64 player servers... just played for a few hours and never dipped below 70 with mantle. Upped the minimum to around 80 once I applied my overclock (was scared to do so after reading some things but all was ok).

I do get an occasional stutter... maybe once a game. Not really noticeable.

All in all, it made the game 60fps< which means it's 100% playable for me at max settings. IS NICE!

edit: at 1080p lol
Edited by Ultracarpet - 2/2/14 at 12:14pm
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So is there a solution to the stutter slow down with mantle enabled? Is AMD even aware it's an issue for some of us?
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So is there a solution to the stutter slow down with mantle enabled? Is AMD even aware it's an issue for some of us?
Some people aren't having the issue for whatever reason that may be but I do think AMD knows there is a problem.
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did a clean install


unplayable with mantle axesmiley.png
Edited by jmcosta - 2/2/14 at 1:13pm
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