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3DMARK doesnt make sa huge load to the memory.and Synthetic benchmark dont get affected by vram limit(nor a higher vram would give a higher score)

and the reason that 4gb GK104 exists is because nvidia doubles nvidia vram (so amd does)


1.) What are you saying? Are you saying that in a different scenario with a non synthetic benchmark, a 555m 3gb would out-shine a 550m because it has 3gb of V-ram? redface.gif. Do you even know what a thousand eight hundred GPU score in 3dmark 11 equals to in game settings?

My 660M has double the performance of that 555m in 3Dmark 11, and has 2gb of V-ram. However, check out this score in a non snythetic benchmark like Valley.


The GPU did not even utilize more than 1gb allocated V-ram with x8MSAA @1080p, but struggled through the whole run with an AVG of 17 FPS. Now since this GPU has double the performance of the 555m, what score do you guess the 555m would get in Unigine Valley with the same settings? Would the 3GB be of use? tongue.gif

2.) My point was... "Why do they double the V-ram even though these GPU's would not get to use it?"
It's a competitive market doh :P (Click to show)
Nvidia has 2gb GK 104/106 cards with a bunch of add on's (PhysX, 3D vision, e.t.c.) that looks good on paper

AMD has 3gb cards to make theirs look just as good on paper (with higher specs)

Nvidia responds with 4gb GK 104/106 cards for those considering higher amount of V-ram seen on the AMD counterparts.

AMD goes, "okay, well we would also double our V-ram too" (I personally don't know anyone on these forums with a 6gb 7970 lol)
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3gb wont be enough

It is enough in my experience. Even a single 7950 can get 30+ fps in almost all games at 5400x1920 (almost all bcos I do not own all games, it can do that though in the games I do own, which is atm a bit over 300 in my steam library including games like Crysis 1 and 2, Metro 2033, etc.). Hell, even a 7870 can do it with minor compromises.

Anyway about cards in general. I believe you should be able to pull off 5x1 portrait with 1080p screens with last gen AMD cards as well, although in that case you will need to use MST hub splitting the single displayport on these cards for up to 3 displays at 60 Hz. At your given budget 290x would do wonders - I personally would start with a single card unless you know that what you want to play runs well at that resolution in fullscreen. Because if you go into windowed or border-less windowed mode the second GFX card is not used at all.
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You will need at least 2 cards to power the 5 monitors. You would plug 3 monitors into one card, and the other two monitors into the second card. It would likely come out to 4 monitors using DVI, and the fourth on HDMI/Display Port.

That does not work with AMD cards. With AMD Crossfire all displays need to be plugged into the same card.

On related remark, quadfire with lightinng 7970's would work fine. You would have an advantage that you could get away without using MST hub although you would still have mixed outputs as you would have to use at least one DVI. If you do not need to buy all the lightings at the same time I would start probably with just crossfire with these assuming that you know that what you want to play runs well enough fullscreen. Quad aircooled Lightings could get rather hot because of packing 1 kW into such tight space.

Also, saw someone mentioning MSAA running at some lower resolution as indicator how the game would play at ~5400x2100 - I have to point out that MSAA is not working quite like that because only some aspects of what is shown are rendered at higher resolutions and then down-scaled (like shaders, for example), however, good portion of the image remains at 5400x1920 during MSAA.

Anyway about performance in particular games. Can't comment on quadfire, but I can comment on running it on single 7950. It works well enough. In latest and greatest games with good chunk of eye-candy on you usually hover in the 40 fps ballpark with that but in older games you can push ~120 fps with every slider as far as it goes. For example I just ran the other day Source "Lost Coast" at 5400x1920 with every slider as far as it goes for some argument in some other thread. And as I just happen to have screenshots at hand I'll throw them into the spoiler box in here as well smile.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)







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Carniflex - Thanks a lot, that's really helpful.
 
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Carniflex - Thanks a lot, that's really helpful.

Pleasure to be of use.

One additional remark about running 5 screen eyefinity. I must add that I usually run low or no AA with my setup as I just cant see the difference. Now some AA types have negligible impact on performance, something like x2 MSAA is usually ok, FXAA should be even easier but slapping a "true" supersampling AA on 10 megapixels give noticeable hit with me having only a single 7950 powering it. It is just bcos the screen array is 80'' diagonal (~2 meters) I have it at good arms length from me (~90 cm) and as such the 23'' 1080p screens I'm using are kinda creeping into "retina" region given the distance and their pixel density.



BTW I also noticed that the screens you are planning to use do not have displayport - so just be aware that you need an active adbater from DP to whatever you end up using (in your case either HDMI or VGA). HDMI is just physically different DVI so DP to DVI works just as well, just would have to get cables with DVI in one end and HDMI in another end. For 1080p the adbaters are cheap, I remeber getting mini DP to VGA ones like ~10$ per unit off ebay a while ago for some of my auxiliary displays that did not have displayports.
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Just sharing my experience smile.gif. Displayport is your pal w/ 5x1 or 3x2 eyefinity btw:





5x1 Eyefinity:
-5x Dell U2412Ms 1920x1200: 6000x1920 in 5x1 Portrait mode
-4x MSI R7970 Lightnings: #1-3 monitors via Accell MST Displayport hub, #4 & 5 monitors connected to the primary Lightning.
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Just sharing my experience smile.gif. Displayport is your pal w/ 5x1 or 3x2 eyefinity btw:





5x1 Eyefinity:
-5x Dell U2412Ms 1920x1200: 6000x1920 in 5x1 Portrait mode
-4x MSI R7970 Lightnings: #1-3 monitors via Accell MST Displayport hub, #4 & 5 monitors connected to the primary Lightning.
my god. how sexy that would look without bezels.
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post #48 of 61
On the subject of VRAM....

Resolution in and of itself is actually the lowest contributing factor to VRAM usage of any of the factors. Texture data and post processing take the vast majority of it. Realistically speaking we just don't need ALL of the textures in an entire game loaded into VRAM at any given time. We could be playing on one map, and still have texture data in VRAM from a previous map that is not used anywhere on the current map. This will cause VRAM usage to "accumulate" to a higher level than what is actually required.


PontiacGTX,

More VRAM is great, but measuring high usage on a card with lots of free VRAM is just like seeing lots of system memory usage on machines that have a lot of memory. The system does a lot less "housekeeping" of memory space so stuff accumulates there effectively just waiting around as "cached" data. It's a catch 22 scenario that is almost impossible to "actually" measure because the presence of more RAM (or more VRAM) ALLOWS more usage, whether it is required or not.

I think you have a bad habit of reading tech articles and dramatically missing the ball on the interpretation part, then sharing your misinterpretation here on OCN. Like your fascination with the "worst GPU ever made" caused by a misunderstanding of the effects of the partially asynchronous VRAM bus on the GTX660 series. There's nothing wrong with the GTX660 series, the VRAM on it works fine. It's just another performance tier implemented by an adjustment of core config. I've also heard you imply on many occasions that CPU performance issues go away at higher resolutions. This is a gross misunderstanding. If there is a CPU bottleneck at a low resolution that causes FPS that is below tolerable, it will only get WORSE with higher resolution.

I wouldn't be calling you out like this, except that you've basically implied that "other people" need to do their research. When you learn to interpret the research you are doing accurately, THEN maybe you can start telling us to do our homework. Till then, get back to researching buddy biggrin.gif
     
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There may not be an answer to this yet, since the R9 295x2 has not released yet. However, looking at the specs - do you guys think it could run 5400x1920 at high detail with good frame rates?

http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/68309-asus-radeon-r9-295x2-pictured/
 
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Originally Posted by Hoff248 View Post

There maperfumy not be an answer to this yet, since the R9 295x2 has not released yet. However, looking at the specs - do you guys think it could run 5400x1920 at high detail with good frame rates?

http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/68309-asus-radeon-r9-295x2-pictured/


Just look for crossfire 290X reviews/charts. Besides the reviewers, there should be member/enthusiast diy reviews that can better represent the performance.

A 295x2 is essentially two 290x on a single card. Typically, reference dual gpu cards are within 5-10% off the performance of there crossfire equivalent.

Honestly, the 295x2 seems more appealing for 5x1 eyefinity since it has multiple displayports. As long as you don't go crazy high with the settings, it should be fine imho.
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