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post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by [CyGnus] View Post

PontiacGTX the Op wants a 500GB HDD so maybe a 240SSD is expensive for him, 850W PSU is way too much even with a 780, but we need more details like Budget so that we can help more thumb.gif
excuse me i was using a build that someone wanted for a r9 290x.
post #12 of 21
well 500 or 1TB have what 20$ difference? I guess that will not break the bank biggrin.gif

PontiacGTX dont take me in the wrong way redface.gif
post #13 of 21
Depending if you want a caviar blue or red, or even a hybrid drive ya. I just feel like he should give us a budget to work with to help us out a little.
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post #14 of 21
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3oYl6
Base Total: $669.90
Mail-in Rebates: -$25.00
Shipping: $9.97
Total: $654.87
This includes Windows 7, Keyboard and mouse and You can change the case to anything you want, an i3 is fine for BF4 and the 750ti means you can choose Smaller PSUs, and its also Low Profile compatible for HTPC - Cases.
If you already have windows 7 take 99$ off of this and thats a smokin cheap PC that has Very Respectable parts for what it is.
Part List and price break down (Click to show)
Intel Core i3-4340 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processer................................... |$129.99 Microcenter
MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard.................................|$44.99 Microcenter
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive................|$59.99 Newegg
Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card..................................................|$159.99 Newegg
Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case...............................|$36.99 Newegg
Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply................|$39.99 Newegg
Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer.................................................|$16.99 Newegg
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64)..............................|$99.99 Newegg
Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse............................|$17.99 Newegg
Total: $654.87
Total without Windows 7: $552.89
BF4 $30 (Click to show)
750ti Benchmarks AA ON! (Click to show) I have a GTX 660 and at those settings I get about the same frame rate but as soon as I turn off AA I get 60FPS+ But my card is also more expensive. Without Win7 You could Purchase one.
So all in all with BF4 your looking at $689~ Without Windows 7 its about $584 If you have an off the shelf PC with 64bit Win7 you can create an install disk with the Win7 Iso thats the same as it and just re-use the code.. Thats what I did, spent the extra on a Cooler and Better Graphics Card.
AND YES AN i3 IS FINE FOR BF4!!! - http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page6.html
The I3 3220 Scored better than the AMD FX 6300! Similar price, and the I3-4340 has Hyperthreading!
Experience Level: I build PC's for friends and family and to sell.
Edited by xelectroxwolfx - 4/9/14 at 2:16pm
post #15 of 21
This is what I dont get really. You want max graphics at 1080p with minimum 30 fps? Wouldnt it be smarter to get 50 fps with lower details? The youth of today amaze me...In terms of bf4 you get more competitive advantage having higher fps and lower details, than other way around.
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post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by xelectroxwolfx View Post

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3oYl6
Base Total: $669.90
Mail-in Rebates: -$25.00
Shipping: $9.97
Total: $654.87
This includes Windows 7, Keyboard and mouse and You can change the case to anything you want, an i3 is fine for BF4 and the 750ti means you can choose Smaller PSUs, and its also Low Profile compatible for HTPC - Cases.
If you already have windows 7 take 99$ off of this and thats a smokin cheap PC that has Very Respectable parts for what it is.
Part List and price break down (Click to show)
Intel Core i3-4340 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processer................................... |$129.99 Microcenter
MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard.................................|$44.99 Microcenter
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive................|$59.99 Newegg
Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card..................................................|$159.99 Newegg
Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case...............................|$36.99 Newegg
Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply................|$39.99 Newegg
Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer.................................................|$16.99 Newegg
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64)..............................|$99.99 Newegg
Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse............................|$17.99 Newegg
Total: $654.87
Total without Windows 7: $552.89
BF4 $30 (Click to show)
750ti Benchmarks AA ON! (Click to show) I have a GTX 660 and at those settings I get about the same frame rate but as soon as I turn off AA I get 60FPS+ But my card is also more expensive. Without Win7 You could Purchase one.
So all in all with BF4 your looking at $689~ Without Windows 7 its about $584 If you have an off the shelf PC with 64bit Win7 you can create an install disk with the Win7 Iso thats the same as it and just re-use the code.. Thats what I did, spent the extra on a Cooler and Better Graphics Card.
AND YES AN i3 IS FINE FOR BF4!!! - http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page6.html
The I3 3220 Scored better than the AMD FX 6300! Similar price, and the I3-4340 has Hyperthreading!
Experience Level: I build PC's for friends and family and to sell.
Oh and I see that you Made a part list before: Your Old Post for an AMD PC (Click to show)
I spent a long time doing research on the performance differences between consoles and PC...

Apparently you need twice the CPU+GPU on a PC to match a console....even this big shot named "John Carmack" said so.

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9999/vum.png

I did some math to calculate what kind of CPU and GPU would it take to match.

GPU: The ps4 has a GPU that has 1.84 teraflops, x2 that and you get 3.68 teraflops. The 7970 has 3.79 teraflops at $280 so I think I'm going with that.

CPU: The PS4/xbox1 CPU is in between a A4-5000 and A6-5200, that would about make it a benchmark 2179.5 on cpubenchmark.net. The PS4/xbox1 are using 2 of the same CPU so lets multiply that benchmark by 2 which equals 4359. Now lets multiply that by 2 again because it takes x2 performance for a PC to match a console and you have 8718. I say any CPU above 8718 on cpubenchmark.net would be good enough to match the next gen consoles, so CPUs such as the fx8350 or E3-1230 V2.

I might get something like this when I can afford it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Biostar A960D+ Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.94 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($22.49 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 500W ATX Power Supply ($51.32 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $767.70
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-16 00:28 EST-0500)
So your previous budget was ~$800 but you didnt go through with it I take it...
Based on that We could build you a roughly better Intel PC
Lemme get something going here.. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3oZZb
post #17 of 21
The purpose of building a computer rather than buying a computer, is to have some control over the quality of the components, in order to improve performance and reliability. If we choose to build a computer, but then pick out parts for it that are no better than the parts found in an emachine, then we have given up one of the primary advantages of building, but taken on all of the disadvantages (no system wide warranty, all tech support and diagnoses is the responsibility of the builder).

So, with that said, I would encourage against building, or recommending builds, with motherboards and PSUs that are on par with cheap pre-built computers. It defeats the purpose of building IMO.

Most H81 boards ~$50 are trash, there are a few starting ~$60 that aren't bad. Haswell may be efficient, but bottom barrel motherboards will always be built to the bare minimum standard for the socket specs. So a $45 H81 will usually have a really pathetic 2-3 phase regulation topology for the CPU that will run very hot when powering an i5 or i7 under CPU intensive gaming loads. So hot that it is likely to induce throttling and be a source of performance problems or premature failure. As temps rise, resistance rises, more and more heat... becomes a viscous cycle that there isn't enough dissipation to break which forces throttling or eventually just releases the magic smoke.

The Corsair Builder series, is another one of those "why bother building" sort of components. It may make do, but it's really not any better than the PSU you'll find in a cheap dell.
     
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post #18 of 21
I agree with the above, im tired of all people posting 50 dollar motherboards, when they know really well you need to spend around 150 to get one with good heatsinks and stable OC. I would say 130 dollar minimum for a 1150 z87 motherboard. Some components you shouldnt be cheap on because you can use them in future builds = save money, specially since the parts seem to be more expensive believe it or not.
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Western Digital WD15EADS 1.5TB Samsung 840 250GB Crucial MX100 256GB Alphacool Eisblock XPX 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool ST30 360mm Alphacool ST30 140mm Alphacool Eisbecher 150mm Alphacool VPP655 
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post #19 of 21
Sometimes it doesn't even require much change in the budget to get some quality.... Case in point:

BIOSTAR Hi-Fi B85S3+: 4 phase VRMs spread out, B85 chipset, 4 DIMM slots, $60.

BIOSTAR Hi-Fi H81S2 : heatsunk VRMs and upgraded on-board sound, $55.

Gigabyte GA-H81.Amp-UP: heatunk VRMs and upgraded on-board sound, ~$80.

GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H: heatsunk VRMs, B85 chipset, 4 DIMM slots, ~$80.

Any of these would be much better candidates for a tight budget build than the "sort by lowest price first, shoot, ask questions later" method.
     
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Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
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yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
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A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
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Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
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LG IPS224V-PN Logitec K360 FSP 400W Aurum S 80+ gold Prodigy 
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logitec M235 
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FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
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Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
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FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
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yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
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Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
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A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
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Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
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post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

Sometimes it doesn't even require much change in the budget to get some quality.... Case in point:

BIOSTAR Hi-Fi B85S3+: 4 phase VRMs spread out, B85 chipset, 4 DIMM slots, $60.

BIOSTAR Hi-Fi H81S2 : heatsunk VRMs and upgraded on-board sound, $55.

Gigabyte GA-H81.Amp-UP: heatunk VRMs and upgraded on-board sound, ~$80.

GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H: heatsunk VRMs, B85 chipset, 4 DIMM slots, ~$80.

Any of these would be much better candidates for a tight budget build than the "sort by lowest price first, shoot, ask questions later" method.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Guess what happens when you buy a crappy motherboard for a first rig? It breaks and you have to spend around 330 bucks to get all new parts. (thank you ASRock 970 Extreme3)
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