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A console replacement TV PC could get by with a gtx 760 if you sacrifice some AA. Couldn't it?
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A console replacement TV PC could get by with a gtx 760 if you sacrifice some AA. Couldn't it?

Yeah, a 760 would be good enough if you are gaming at 1080p and not trying to push for 60 fps with maxed out MSAA and SSAA through the roof. Even a 770 would be good too and is an affordable card.

With the 760, you will be getting better performance than even the current gen consoles.
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im running a 760 and so far so good. Single screen 1080p gaming you should be fine...that being said, if you could get 770 or 780 than why not?

I got a good deal on the 760, and Im not a hard core gamer, so it fit the bill for under 300.

But yeah, nvidia for these smaller builds for sure. And pretty much anything you build that's an i5 or higher is going to be better than any current gen console. I gave up on consoles. higher initial investment in building something like this (unless you got parts kicking around that you can reuse) but at least you can go back and play all your old games without having to worry about backwards compatibility.

Can anyone recommend a good game pad? I got some wired logitechs which work, but have like a 10ft extension cord on it.

@CaptainZombie You played with your rig at all? How are the noise / temps? I havent touched mine for a few days. Was the little guys 3rd birthday today and was prepping past few days for it...off to the in laws tomorrow for Easter lunch.

Im still bouncing back and forth on whether to swap out the NH-L12 for the AXP. Part of me is like its done, screw that. But the other is what if I want to go in there and tinker some...there is no room with the Noctua. Im also wondering that by going the AXP route the overall system temps might go down a few points as there is not a big heat sink that the side/top fan is pretty much blowing directly into it.

The tie breaker will be what your load temps on the CPU are. Id have to order 3 new 25MM noctua cases fans tho. The one I bought was to match the one that came with the heatsink (NF-F12) and are better suited for heatsinks/rads. The others (NF0S12A) are about about 9 bucks cheaper, plus they are geared more towards general case cooling.

http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=which_fan_is_right_for_me&lng=en

Sheesh, Im turing into a Noctua "fan boy" tongue.gif
post #1035 of 7153
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Originally Posted by whoanelly View Post

im running a 760 and so far so good. Single screen 1080p gaming you should be fine...that being said, if you could get 770 or 780 than why not?

I got a good deal on the 760, and Im not a hard core gamer, so it fit the bill for under 300.

But yeah, nvidia for these smaller builds for sure. And pretty much anything you build that's an i5 or higher is going to be better than any current gen console. I gave up on consoles. higher initial investment in building something like this (unless you got parts kicking around that you can reuse) but at least you can go back and play all your old games without having to worry about backwards compatibility.

Can anyone recommend a good game pad? I got some wired logitechs which work, but have like a 10ft extension cord on it.

@CaptainZombie You played with your rig at all? How are the noise / temps? I havent touched mine for a few days. Was the little guys 3rd birthday today and was prepping past few days for it...off to the in laws tomorrow for Easter lunch.

Im still bouncing back and forth on whether to swap out the NH-L12 for the AXP. Part of me is like its done, screw that. But the other is what if I want to go in there and tinker some...there is no room with the Noctua. Im also wondering that by going the AXP route the overall system temps might go down a few points as there is not a big heat sink that the side/top fan is pretty much blowing directly into it.

The tie breaker will be what your load temps on the CPU are. Id have to order 3 new 25MM noctua cases fans tho. The one I bought was to match the one that came with the heatsink (NF-F12) and are better suited for heatsinks/rads. The others (NF0S12A) are about about 9 bucks cheaper, plus they are geared more towards general case cooling.

http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=which_fan_is_right_for_me&lng=en

Sheesh, Im turing into a Noctua "fan boy" tongue.gif

whoanelly, happy bday to your son! I have been playing some Tomb Raider the last hour or so. I will say that the sound from the system is not a problem. I was worried it would get loud with the GPU and it hasn't been an issue at all. I'll get you temps of my CPU and system as a whole here in a few minutes after I get done playing.

I would recommend getting an XBOX 360 controller, it's the most compatible controller on the PC. You need this one. Normally it is $59.99 since it comes with a wireless dongle, but it is on sale for $44.99 which usually never happens and I think the sale ends tonight.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/xbox-360-wireless-controller-for-windows/2589153.p?id=1218503724374&skuId=2589153&st=categoryid$abcat0515020&cp=1&lp=3
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Thanks man! It was a fun day. All his Aunts and Uncles Grandparents and us pitched in and got him one of those Power Wheels/Ride on trucks. Better this way instead of having a bunch of little toys cluttering the house, he got one big one. His reaction was priceless. This thing is frickin huge. Did a lot of research on this thing, I think I got just as much of a kick out of it. Already thinking to "mod" it when the warranty expires lol. People are connecting the batteries in series to either get better run time or to make it go faster...oh wait wrong forum wink.gif
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Thanks man! It was a fun day. All his Aunts and Uncles Grandparents and us pitched in and got him one of those Power Wheels/Ride on trucks. Better this way instead of having a bunch of little toys cluttering the house, he got one big one. His reaction was priceless. This thing is frickin huge. Did a lot of research on this thing, I think I got just as much of a kick out of it. Already thinking to "mod" it when the warranty expires lol. People are connecting the batteries in series to either get better run time or to make it go faster...oh wait wrong forum wink.gif

No problem at all. That is really cool, glad he got something very cool and it makes sense to me going with one big toy vs. multiple. I have 4 kids, so I can fully understand where you are coming from.

Here are my temps with GPU (on the left) and CPU on the right. My GPU was at 43 degrees, I didn't get a chance to grab a screenshot fast enough that while it was cooling down you could see the drop in temps. The AXP-Muscle I think does a very good job keeping my CPU cool as you can see under load, it's not that bad. I was playing Tomb Raider for the last few hours and I have my settings pretty high, not totally maxed because the 770 won't max this game out but pretty darn close.

Under load, I can compare my system to being nowhere near as loud as my PS3, so that is a good thing. thumb.gif

If there is another program you guys want me to test with, I can do that tomorrow night.

post #1038 of 7153
My friends, I finally got everything!! biggrin.gif

It is very easy to disconnect the ACX heatsink and put the GPU PWM adapter, I didn't had to remove the cooler. Here is a picture of it mounted:


This is how I mounted the fans and organized the cables in order to avoid anything in the way of the fans or the ACX heatsink:


The view after getting it mounted (it gets tricky to acommodate the cables, but not really hard)



I've been playing with this all day, and I have to say I'm glad I did this modifications. The new setup is AWESOME! I will try to keep the explanations of my tests simple, so:

Prolimatech USV12 fans noise:
  • PWM Controlled
    • SYSTEM IDLE: Very quiet! Run about 700RPM. At this speed, they push about the same air as the Silverstone fans.
    • SYSTEM LOAD: They stay quiet, about 850-1100RPM, but if you make the effort you can hear them pushing air. The case is barely at one feet away from me, so if I put it more than six feet away I will have a hard time hearing it.
  • NOT PWM Controlled
    • They run at 1300RPM (max speed). They are noticeable, not because they are noisy, but more because they cause vibration due to all the air they push. I'm expecting some rubber mounts I bought for testing to see how the noise changes.
    • The entire system stays a few degrees cooler (CPU, Motherboard, SSD, HDD).


Prolimatech USV12 fans temperatures:
  • PWM Controlled
    • SYSTEM IDLE: They keep the ACX card at a fantastic 28c-29c.
    • SYSTEM LOAD: Testing with Unigine Heaven Basic, everything Ultra, 8x AA, the card stays most of the time at 63c. In some scenes it goes up to 65c-66c and quickly goes down to 63c, while in other cases it goes down to 61c. GPU utilization is 99%.
      With AC 4: Black Flag, the card stays in the 53c-56c range with NVIDIA optimal settings in Geforce Experience. GPU utilization is between 50%-80%, most of the time between 60%-70%. In some scenes it goes up to 60c, while in other scenes it goes down to 51c.
      Edit: It seems nvidia activated vsync without my consent. After I realized, GPU utilization is between 75%-98%. Temperatures between 58c-63c. Since it is not always 99% like Unigine, when I get the rubber mounts I will test at full RPM, maybe noise gets a lot better and temperatures go lower.
  • NOT PWM Controlled
    • At IDLE the card stays between 26c-27c. Not a good tradeoff for the increased noise.
    • With Unigine Heaven the temperatures are the same, only increases noise. WIth AC 4: Black Flag, the temperatures always stay between 52c-55c, in some scenes it goes down to 49c-51c, in others up to a maximum of 57c.

With PWM system stays a little warmer, around 1c-3c on higher on every component than with blower card. Without PWM it stays the same as with the blower, but the disks stay cooler because the card does not heats higher than 63c.

The ACX card blows most of the air to the top, so it goes through the case opening. The rest of the hot air goes to the motherboard area through the opening near the PCIE riser card, making the case feel a little warm in that area touching it from outside. The USV12 fans take care of removing all the heat really fast. The PSU area stays as cool as with a blower card.

I'm planning to build a thermometer to test the temperatures inside the case while it's closed following a guide here on OCN, but I'm pretty confident air is flowing the right way. With the PP05-E, there should be even more space for air to flow.

I still expect the Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste, to really test the ITX30 and see it's potential. I expect as well the rubber mounts for testing; if they remove most of the noise, an extra cool case without noise impact is always good smile.gif

I really recommend this fans, with PWM, and a ACX cooler or one similar. It performs flawlessly. If the rubber mounts make the fans as silent as PWM in high RPM's, they will be one of the golden choices for this case.

If I left something out or you wish that I test something specific let me know thumb.gif

Be sure to read my edit on ac4 bf temperatures wink.gif
Edited by Mariolillo - 4/20/14 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by CaptainZombie View Post

whoanelly, happy bday to your son! I have been playing some Tomb Raider the last hour or so. I will say that the sound from the system is not a problem. I was worried it would get loud with the GPU and it hasn't been an issue at all. I'll get you temps of my CPU and system as a whole here in a few minutes after I get done playing.

I would recommend getting an XBOX 360 controller, it's the most compatible controller on the PC. You need this one. Normally it is $59.99 since it comes with a wireless dongle, but it is on sale for $44.99 which usually never happens and I think the sale ends tonight.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/xbox-360-wireless-controller-for-windows/2589153.p?id=1218503724374&skuId=2589153&st=categoryid$abcat0515020&cp=1&lp=3
So does this mean you'll keep the case this time? biggrin.gif Sounds like the noise issues are gone, and that's great! thumb.gif
Edited by OCPG - 4/20/14 at 1:50am
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Hey capt,

Numbers look good!. I think I will go through the effort and swap. I gotta gk in there anyway when I get the blu ray drive replacement.

Can you try aida64? You get a 30 day free trial. Run a load test with that and it will give live load temps.
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