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post #1361 of 7084
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Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post

Presumably because unlike the RVZ01, it doesn't include fans?

Interesting and I thought the ML07 was going to be more expensive than the RVZ01 based on the CES videos.
post #1362 of 7084
Went to Silverstone today, and yes ML07 is cheaper than RVZ, the ML does not come with any fans or filters, and it's in a plain brown box, not one of the full color boxes, that's what they chalked the savings up to was those changes.

On another note, they are planning to have a custom looped RVZ at computex, so stay posted on their Facebook page for photos of it in the next few weeks I was told. I'm curious to see how they do the fittings to make stuff fit. We were even talking about that at length today, so I'm very curious.
post #1363 of 7084
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Originally Posted by Jimhans1 View Post

Went to Silverstone today, and yes ML07 is cheaper than RVZ, the ML does not come with any fans or filters, and it's in a plain brown box, not one of the full color boxes, that's what they chalked the savings up to was those changes.

On another note, they are planning to have a custom looped RVZ at computex, so stay posted on their Facebook page for photos of it in the next few weeks I was told. I'm curious to see how they do the fittings to make stuff fit. We were even talking about that at length today, so I'm very curious.

Cool that they confirmed this with you too. I posted this a few days ago that the rep Silverstone here on OCN told me the same thing, so it should be interesting to see how this build looks.

The ML07 sounds like a very confusing product. You get no fans or fan filters for $10 less than the RVZ01. The ML07 is the same amount of plastic as the RVZ01 so why would it be a more expensive product?
post #1364 of 7084
Huh, I didn't realize that it didn't have the filters too.
post #1365 of 7084
The ML has aluminum in its build also, not just plastic, if I remember correctly.
post #1366 of 7084
Hello! I'd like to be a club member haha!. I transferred most of my parts from my Bitfenix Prodigy build to this new case. The only new parts are the case itself and the SFX PSU.

Here is my RVZ01 Build:

Case: Silverstone Raven RVZ01 *NEW*
PSU: Silverstone 450w SFX PSU w/ 80+ Gold *NEW*
Mobo: Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe
CPU: Intel I5-2500K (Not overclocked)
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti: Power Edition
RAM: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB)
HDD: Western Digital 2.5" 500GB
CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 Quiet Edition w/ Scythe Slipstream Slim 120x12mm Fan (Pull).

The case came in and it had amazing packaging!


This is actually my first time using a SFX PSU. It's smaller than I imagined!








So I tried fitting the Corsair H55 onto the mobo but my tubing kept hitting the Asus mobo riser. I had the tubing start off right in front of the riser and then route it towards the GPU and back. Just like how everyone was recommending. But I guess for this particular mobo it doesn't work right. So I tried using the Samuel 17 and scythe slipstream fan on the mobo for now.

But unfortunately I had trouble with the screw for the radiator touching the back of the case and screwing up my system.


Thus, I tried messing with the H55 again. Fortunately I made it fit nicely by improvising and switching the orientation. I had to take out the two screws that were meant to fit on the pump and just used my own set of screws. This way the tubing won't have to be pushed on the original corsair screws. It was able to just freely lay there. I also had the tubes start on the GPU side which made routing the cables better without infringing on the Asus mobo riser.

The only problem I had was that a 25mm thick fan wouldn't fit and at this point I got too lazy to try the 15mm thick stock case fan. So I just slapped the 12mm scythe slipstream on the radiator for pull and that works okay. Getting about 30-33 degrees Celsius on idle so that isn't too bad.


Well that's my build and I enjoyed messing around with the case. I'll be trying to figure out ways to put in a 25mm thick fan or at least a 20mm (Yate Loon) for the radiator.



p.s. I would love any tips on what sort of fans would be great for the H55 radiator in a pull set-up. I know the scythe slipstream isn't good but since I already had one I figured I'll use it until I find a better slim fan.
post #1367 of 7084
Hi everyone.

This is my first post. I've been following this thread for at least two weeks.

I have a specific question and I figured I'd introduce myself and my build too.

I'm putting together a gaming rig for my son. About a year ago we got a Asus G75 gaming laptop scratch 'n' dent from Newegg (Awesome deal!) for my kids to share. It turns out they don't share so well and now it's mostly my daughter's laptop and so I'm building my son a desktop, which will be my first build. I haven't thrown a lot of modern gaming at the G75 (i7-3630qm, gtx660m) but I have seen the limitations of the cpu trying to run Gamecube games on Dolphin. Searching for a solution, I learned about overclocking and attempted BCLK with no real success, and eventually gave up on the most intensive games. I decided a desktop would be better this round and set about designing one. I had vague notions about building a Steam Machine and I was inspired to try SFF by an nVidia advertisement for 750 Ti describing a <$600 Steam Machine.

My starting budget of $500 quickly changed to $750, and I'm trying my best at this point to hug $900. I still have a few undecided pieces where I'm waiting for one or another new part to come out, but they're quickly showing, like today's ML07 on Newegg. I've also invested far more time and energy into scouring the internet than I ever thought this process would entail and I decided to start purchasing so that I can finish buying and start building (My LP53 shipped from Korea on Monday). Hopefully I haven't put myself into a silly situation where I don't know if my stuff works after RMA period has passed, but I'm really craving i5-4690k as the crown jewel, and I'm hoping to tumble down Devil's Canyon without getting burnt tongue.gif

My build is designed with the following parameters and levels of importance.

1. Adequate Cooling - I burnt up the GTX8600m on my 2007 Macbook Pro playing emulated Final Fantasy IX (gpu had a known problem and the four year recall for problem cards had expired) and I then picked Asus G75 because of the dual vent cpu/gpu cooling system. Keeping my components stable and safe is a top priority.

2. SFF Size - Our family has been completely laptop oriented for many years. I like the idea of SFF being somewhat portable, although the system will probably by hooked to the living room TV for the most part. My initial build ideas using larger cases focused around GPU upgradeability through SLI, but honestly when the time comes that my video card is insufficient, I'll probably want to replace instead of add.

3. Sound - Everyone wants a quiet computer, right smile.gif

4. Modest CPU overclock - Dolphin gets more accurate and more demanding with each iteration. I know that substantial OC is limited with this case and most everything else of it's size, but I'd like to have the juice if I need it. If I could score a sweet deal on an i5-4570, I might forego OC and maybe use Multi-core enhancement if I buy Z87 or Z97, but $20 < 4670k isn't worth it to me.

5. Low power - Hand in hand with cooling and sound. Mainly this factor affected my decision to pick GTX 750 Ti with Maxwell Performance/Watt and near $100 < GTX 760


The Build:

CPU: 4570, 4670k, or 4690k

Motherboard: Asrock Z97E-ITX or Gigabyte GA-Z97N-Wifi - I'm inclined toward Asrock, but with $20 Mail-in Rebate @ Newegg, Gigabyte's board seems attractive. Extra hackintosh compatibility is added bonus (I don't know if I'd ever go that route, but I do love that Apple software). I don't know if I'm going to fork up the $$$ for Windows and I wonder which Mobo has better Linux compatibility. I know Valve used Z87E-ITX in the 300 Steam Boxes. Apart from that, I'd love to hear your opinions.

Cooler: Thermolab LP53 en route from Korea. Thanks to you guys for turning me on to that one.

Memory: 2x4GB Ripjaws X 1866 CAS 8-9-9-24 (already arrived from Newegg)

Storage: 250GB Samsung 840 Evo (already ordered from Amazon) - I see steam OS requires 500 GB minimum for standard installation and I hesitated at this, but I'd rather leave the spinning disks alone, especially 3.5" over the PSU. Hopefully I'll figure out how to install Steam OS (if I go that route) on a smaller partition and while 250GB isn't huge, it's enough to have more than a handful of games installed at once, and they'll all run nice and fast.

GPU: Gigabyte GV-N75TWF2OC 1215Ghz OC GTX 750 Ti with Windforce cooler (already arrived from Newegg). I really wanted the EVGA ACX, but I read on and on about 750 Ti ACX and the awful non-PWM fan noise, especially at idle. Most reviews I could find of Gigabyte's GTX 750 Ti were critical of low factory OC, and said cooling and noise were not a problem. This newer model has better factory OC and hopefully it will be solid. Aside from the LP53, this was the first part I ordered, and RMA expiration is 6/10/14. If I'm still waiting for Devil's Canyon, maybe I can take it to a local computer shop to test it out. Any advice is welcome.

Case: RVZ01 or ML07 - I've seen the debate here about less ventilation on ML07 exterior and whether that will affect cooling performance, a clear deciding factor for me. With no fans, ML07 is more expensive. However, I'm not sure if I want the slim 15mm fans anyway. More on that below.

PSU: ST45SF-G or SX600-G - Surely that extra 150W could be useful, especially down the road with a more powerful GPU. Since the PP05-E cables will be included by default, the difference in price may be negligible. Of course, it hasn't been released yet either. If I recall, the ST45SF-G rev 1.0 had a noisy fan or something and wasn't a recommended product until 2.0. The semi-fanless design like ST30SF may turn out to be great or could be a dud. Interesting side-note, I think the Milo ML07 page lists SFX and SFX-L as compatible PSU form factors. Silverstone is also releasing SX500-LG, a 500W SFX-L PSU.

Fans: Noctua S12A-FLX or S12A-PWM - Okay, here I have a real question. Do I want PWM or voltage controlled case fans? The best I can figure it, these ITX mobos have a CPU header exclusively for cooler and a chassis header that can split out to all the case fans. Therefore, all the case fans need to be PWM or all of them need voltage control. Am I wrong? Searching the internet tells me that more and more builds are moving to PWM case fans. I've also read that some mobos have a 4-pin chassis header that isn't really PWM. I figured since RVZ01 has two slim 120mm 3-pin fans, I'd put them both to the GPU intake and buy a 25mm 120mm 3-pin for the CPU area. Now I learn ML07 has no included fans and that build might make more sense to use all three 25mm 120mm PWM fans. This was enough of a question for me to finally register on overclock.net and chime into the conversation, so please answer me, one and all. I've seen other brands besides Noctua recommended on this thread and elsewhere on the internet, but none stuck in my mind like the overwhelming chorus of Noctua. If you want to suggest other fans for PWM or voltage control, I'm all ears.


That just about does it for me.

Thanks all for reading. Looking forward to your replies and comments.
post #1368 of 7084
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Originally Posted by bkoltai9 View Post

Hi everyone.

This is my first post. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I've been following this thread for at least two weeks.

I have a specific question and I figured I'd introduce myself and my build too.

I'm putting together a gaming rig for my son. About a year ago we got a Asus G75 gaming laptop scratch 'n' dent from Newegg (Awesome deal!) for my kids to share. It turns out they don't share so well and now it's mostly my daughter's laptop and so I'm building my son a desktop, which will be my first build. I haven't thrown a lot of modern gaming at the G75 (i7-3630qm, gtx660m) but I have seen the limitations of the cpu trying to run Gamecube games on Dolphin. Searching for a solution, I learned about overclocking and attempted BCLK with no real success, and eventually gave up on the most intensive games. I decided a desktop would be better this round and set about designing one. I had vague notions about building a Steam Machine and I was inspired to try SFF by an nVidia advertisement for 750 Ti describing a <$600 Steam Machine.

My starting budget of $500 quickly changed to $750, and I'm trying my best at this point to hug $900. I still have a few undecided pieces where I'm waiting for one or another new part to come out, but they're quickly showing, like today's ML07 on Newegg. I've also invested far more time and energy into scouring the internet than I ever thought this process would entail and I decided to start purchasing so that I can finish buying and start building (My LP53 shipped from Korea on Monday). Hopefully I haven't put myself into a silly situation where I don't know if my stuff works after RMA period has passed, but I'm really craving i5-4690k as the crown jewel, and I'm hoping to tumble down Devil's Canyon without getting burnt tongue.gif

My build is designed with the following parameters and levels of importance.

1. Adequate Cooling - I burnt up the GTX8600m on my 2007 Macbook Pro playing emulated Final Fantasy IX (gpu had a known problem and the four year recall for problem cards had expired) and I then picked Asus G75 because of the dual vent cpu/gpu cooling system. Keeping my components stable and safe is a top priority.

2. SFF Size - Our family has been completely laptop oriented for many years. I like the idea of SFF being somewhat portable, although the system will probably by hooked to the living room TV for the most part. My initial build ideas using larger cases focused around GPU upgradeability through SLI, but honestly when the time comes that my video card is insufficient, I'll probably want to replace instead of add.

3. Sound - Everyone wants a quiet computer, right smile.gif

4. Modest CPU overclock - Dolphin gets more accurate and more demanding with each iteration. I know that substantial OC is limited with this case and most everything else of it's size, but I'd like to have the juice if I need it. If I could score a sweet deal on an i5-4570, I might forego OC and maybe use Multi-core enhancement if I buy Z87 or Z97, but $20 < 4670k isn't worth it to me.

5. Low power - Hand in hand with cooling and sound. Mainly this factor affected my decision to pick GTX 750 Ti with Maxwell Performance/Watt and near $100 < GTX 760


The Build:

CPU: 4570, 4670k, or 4690k

Motherboard: Asrock Z97E-ITX or Gigabyte GA-Z97N-Wifi - I'm inclined toward Asrock, but with $20 Mail-in Rebate @ Newegg, Gigabyte's board seems attractive. Extra hackintosh compatibility is added bonus (I don't know if I'd ever go that route, but I do love that Apple software). I don't know if I'm going to fork up the $$$ for Windows and I wonder which Mobo has better Linux compatibility. I know Valve used Z87E-ITX in the 300 Steam Boxes. Apart from that, I'd love to hear your opinions.

Cooler: Thermolab LP53 en route from Korea. Thanks to you guys for turning me on to that one.

Memory: 2x4GB Ripjaws X 1866 CAS 8-9-9-24 (already arrived from Newegg)

Storage: 250GB Samsung 840 Evo (already ordered from Amazon) - I see steam OS requires 500 GB minimum for standard installation and I hesitated at this, but I'd rather leave the spinning disks alone, especially 3.5" over the PSU. Hopefully I'll figure out how to install Steam OS (if I go that route) on a smaller partition and while 250GB isn't huge, it's enough to have more than a handful of games installed at once, and they'll all run nice and fast.

GPU: Gigabyte GV-N75TWF2OC 1215Ghz OC GTX 750 Ti with Windforce cooler (already arrived from Newegg). I really wanted the EVGA ACX, but I read on and on about 750 Ti ACX and the awful non-PWM fan noise, especially at idle. Most reviews I could find of Gigabyte's GTX 750 Ti were critical of low factory OC, and said cooling and noise were not a problem. This newer model has better factory OC and hopefully it will be solid. Aside from the LP53, this was the first part I ordered, and RMA expiration is 6/10/14. If I'm still waiting for Devil's Canyon, maybe I can take it to a local computer shop to test it out. Any advice is welcome.

Case: RVZ01 or ML07 - I've seen the debate here about less ventilation on ML07 exterior and whether that will affect cooling performance, a clear deciding factor for me. With no fans, ML07 is more expensive. However, I'm not sure if I want the slim 15mm fans anyway. More on that below.

PSU: ST45SF-G or SX600-G - Surely that extra 150W could be useful, especially down the road with a more powerful GPU. Since the PP05-E cables will be included by default, the difference in price may be negligible. Of course, it hasn't been released yet either. If I recall, the ST45SF-G rev 1.0 had a noisy fan or something and wasn't a recommended product until 2.0. The semi-fanless design like ST30SF may turn out to be great or could be a dud. Interesting side-note, I think the Milo ML07 page lists SFX and SFX-L as compatible PSU form factors. Silverstone is also releasing SX500-LG, a 500W SFX-L PSU.

Fans: Noctua S12A-FLX or S12A-PWM - Okay, here I have a real question. Do I want PWM or voltage controlled case fans? The best I can figure it, these ITX mobos have a CPU header exclusively for cooler and a chassis header that can split out to all the case fans. Therefore, all the case fans need to be PWM or all of them need voltage control. Am I wrong? Searching the internet tells me that more and more builds are moving to PWM case fans. I've also read that some mobos have a 4-pin chassis header that isn't really PWM. I figured since RVZ01 has two slim 120mm 3-pin fans, I'd put them both to the GPU intake and buy a 25mm 120mm 3-pin for the CPU area. Now I learn ML07 has no included fans and that build might make more sense to use all three 25mm 120mm PWM fans. This was enough of a question for me to finally register on overclock.net and chime into the conversation, so please answer me, one and all. I've seen other brands besides Noctua recommended on this thread and elsewhere on the internet, but none stuck in my mind like the overwhelming chorus of Noctua. If you want to suggest other fans for PWM or voltage control, I'm all ears.


That just about does it for me.

Thanks all for reading. Looking forward to your replies and comments.

First of all, welcome to the OCN.

And now, on to my thoughts and observations:

Linux support: toss up there, both ASRock and Gigabyte boards should be no problem, my Z77E-ITX ran perfect with Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, and Sabayon. And with Gigabyte being the manufacturer of boards for a company that uses an iteration of Linux (Apple uses Unix for OSX) there is usually no problems with them. That being said, I will always choose an ASRock board over one from Gigabyte, the lack of decent quality control the past few years has turned me away from EVERYTHING Gigabyte.

Cooling: Having had my hands on the ML07 today at Silverstone, I can tell you that the venting on the ML vs RVZ is a non-issue, there is still more venting on the exterior panels than on the interior structure, so they will cool/vent exactly the same.

Fans/headers: unless you have a Maximus VI Impact with both the CPU and OPT CPU headers, and every other board with just the CPU header, EVERY other 4-Pin header is voltage controlled. So unless you are going to use a 3-way or 4-way PWM splitter that is powered by the PSU and controlled by the CPU header, I would recommend standard 3-pin non-PWM fans. As to the make of fans, I loathe Noctua fans, personal preference on that. I do like the AP121 fans from Silverstone, but I say get whatever fans you think will work best for you. Side note about my personal thoughts on PWM vs Voltage control, the most noticeable and annoying thing for ME is hearing fans rev up and down in speed, it's distracting at best, so I always use standard fans personally.

PSU: Silverstone is sticking by the 600w being available most likely in August (but I'm still hoping for a mid-late June after Computex) since you said that you would like to OC the CPU but didn't mention if you would OC the GPU, I would say go for the 450w, it's more than capable of doing a pretty decent OC on the CPU with no issues, and with a 750Ti, you could probably bump that also pretty good. I've run the 450w V2 with a 3770k@4.8ghz, and a 780Ti at stock with no problems. If you were thinking to put in an HD6990, or a GTX690, I'd say wait for the 600w. And remember, the 600w is coming with PP05-E STYLE cables, but they are not the exact set that the PP05-E is. It's basically gonna be the same set as the 450w Gold, but with the Black, Flat cables like the PP05-E

That's all I can think of at the moment, time for bed. Feel free to ask anything else if your curious.
post #1369 of 7084
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Originally Posted by Jimhans1 View Post

PSU: Silverstone is sticking by the 600w being available most likely in August (but I'm still hoping for a mid-late June after Computex) since you said that you would like to OC the CPU but didn't mention if you would OC the GPU, I would say go for the 450w, it's more than capable of doing a pretty decent OC on the CPU with no issues, and with a 750Ti, you could probably bump that also pretty good. I've run the 450w V2 with a 3770k@4.8ghz, and a 780Ti at stock with no problems. If you were thinking to put in an HD6990, or a GTX690, I'd say wait for the 600w. And remember, the 600w is coming with PP05-E STYLE cables, but they are not the exact set that the PP05-E is. It's basically gonna be the same set as the 450w Gold, but with the Black, Flat cables like the PP05-E
That's all I can think of at the moment, time for bed. Feel free to ask anything else if your curious.


i7 @ 4.8 + 780 Ti @ 450Watt GOLD , Sir, You're a Master thumb.gif , that answer made my day, you rock \m/ .
post #1370 of 7084
can some one tel me whats the best cooler for 4670 cpu in the raven rvz01 case
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