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Originally Posted by Elton Noway View Post

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Both CPU are not in the exact same spot. If you take ASrock's CPU placement as the reference then the Asus is approximatively 2mm to the right and 5mm down. This is why you cannot use the Cryorig C1. Because you'll gonna hit the PCIe riser.

Both Motherboard are fine to me : Realtek ALC 1150, M.2 support, 3 fan headers, USB 3.1, etc... I just can't justify to pay 50€ more for the ASrock for USB type-C and some features like support for HDMI 4K/60hz that I will not use.
post #4662 of 7131
There are other SFX PSUs by some lesser known brands, such as Sharkoon I believe, but Silverstone is currently the most popular. I believe Corsair is releasing one soon, too.

As for which 390, you have to really watch the width on the card. I use a Sapphire 390 in mine and it seems to work well. The fan does power on sometimes at low temps and usage for some reason (as in <45C range), but I believe that can be fixed by manually adjusting the fan curve. I'll try it out when I have the time.

Cards that are wider, such as the MSI 390, will not work with this case.

The case window will provide some more intake, but you'd also not have a dust filter in case you need it. I use the non-windowed one and my card is actually the coolest thing in the case (it idles at about 45C). Entirely up to you, though. Under load, it might make a bigger difference.
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I can't find any Sharkoon PSU's for sale anywhere. Their website claims all these retailers but it's mostly just mice. Who sells their SFX PSU's?
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Hello all. I've read through (most) of the thread, not all of it unfortunately as I could no longer concentrate ! Some of the answers to my questions have maybe already been said, so I'm sorry if that's the case.

I've been given a few brand new components and am about to buy the rest the components for my build.

I have:
- Intel i7-6700K
- Samsung EVO 500go

Am settled on buying:
- Silverstone FTZ01
- Silverstone SFX-L 500W
- Gigabyte GA-z170n-Gaming 5 (not yet out in France, but I like Gigabyte motherboards and I would like USB 3.1 and need the DVI output for when I move the computer around)

questions:
- I like the look of the Noctua NH-L12 and the Big Shuriken 2. I'm looking for a decent combination of effective cooling (91W processor) and silence. Is there a consensus on the most effective cooler? Is it worth changing the Big Shuriken's fan?
- This brings up another problem: the RAM. I won't be buying a discrete graphics card (not for the moment at least) but will be playing games. SPCR showed that memory frequency plays a substantial role in graphics on the new Skylake processors so I would like 2x8 Gb DDR4-3000 memory. The problem is that I'm worried about incompatibility with the cpu cooler. I can't find DDR4-3000 low-profile RAM. Any ideas on what would fit under the Noctua and Big Shuriken coolers?

I will be adding another SSD and a 3Tb WD Hard Drive at a later date (dual boot).

Thanks for your help.
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Salut l'ami français ! (je suis français aussi)

If you're really settled on the FTZ01 and Gigabyte Z170n Gaming 5, then Big Shuriken is a strong contender. I think Cryorig C1 might fit as well but I'm not 100% sure. Some people were able to mount it on the Z97 Gaming 5 so I assume it fits too as the CPU socket seems to be at the exact same place.

Some of the best CPU cooler with your mobo :

- Scythe Big Shuriken with an added Slim fan on the case vent (you can use the stock one)
- Noctua NH-L12 if you swap the top fan for a slim one (again stock one will be fine)
- Cryorig C1 and you can swap the stock fan for a 140 with 120mm mount and 25mm thick one like Scythe Glide Stream, Cryorig XF140, Noctua NF A15, etc...
- Cooltek LP53 + 25mm case fan

Now which one is the best ? No one really knows exactly i guess but every cooler in this list should be efficient enough for your need.
I personally use the Cryorig C1 + XF140 at 800-900 RPM and tried some OC on my I5 6600K. I was able to achieve a perfectly stable 4,4 Ghz frequency with 80°C max while using Prime95.

For ram, Kingston offers the new Kingston Hyper X Savage DDR4 ram at 3000 Ghz : http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00194518.html
Pricy and I think you can achieve the same frequency by OCing Hyper X fury 2666 to 3000 Ghz(I have a pair, I should try) and they cost twice as less. Kingston Hyper X Fury/Savage are low enough to fit under Cryorig C1 and Scythe Big Shuriken.

Also if you're planning to use the USB 3.0 header port on the Gigabyte mobo, I strongly suggest to get a low profile USB 3.0 header like this one :
http://www.moddiy.com/products/USB-3.0-20%252dPin-Internal-Header-Adapter-Cable-%28Low-Profile-Connector%29.html
Or you will struggle to fit large heatsink above it. The FTZ01 USB 3.0 cable is quiet stiff. I think you'll be fine though if you go with the Cooltek LP53 as it is tiny enough.
Edited by SHwoKing - 11/2/15 at 12:36pm
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Hey guys, I came across a reviewer of the RVZ02 that used the Janus LD1266 CPU cooler:

http://www.xigmatek.com/product.php?productid=203

But PCPartPicker's flagging it as incompatible with the case. I've never heard of this CPU cooler before and I'm wondering if anyone here would recommend it over the BIG Shuriken 2?


And as an aside I'm still on the fence about which version of the RVZ02 to get. I'm heavily leaning towards the clear windowed version because it apparently gets better temps, but I wonder if the dust filter on the other version might be worth the slightly higher temps in the end. I can see good arguments for both...
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Hi Guys,

I posted earlier in the thread about a cooling issue I had with my ML07 and a Big Shriuken. Just wanted to thank
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I think you maybe didn't apply the thermal paste properly when you were changing motherboards or the cooler isn't getting proper contact with the cpu.
50 - 60 idle does seem really high for a stock 4790k (unless you live in an environment with ambient temps constantly 90F +)

I would suggest re-installing the cooler - clean the surfaces of the cpu and the cooler properly before re-installing as well.
Also, did you put too much thermal paste onto the cpu by any chance?
A lot of my friends who are new to building computers put an obscene amount of thermal paste and this can seriously detriment the thermal performance.
Just in case, as a reminder, you're only supposed to put a little bit of thermal paste in the center of the cpu (about the size of a rice grain.)

Scythe big shuriken 2 is a really good low profile cooler and it should definitely perform better than the Silverstone NT-06 (it will be a downgrade if you switch over - so don't do it.)
the missing rubber washer shouldn't really impact the thermal performance as well.

and processor throttling down to lower clock rates is pretty normal when the temperature gets really high - in order to protect the cpu.

Thanks for your help DJ reason. Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I took your advice and took apart the PC, turned out the pressure on the CPU from the heatsink was off and the CPU had burnt through the thermal paste in the middle. Due to difficulties of getting the Big Shruiken back on my specific motherboard (great cooler and worked perfect on my previous MB as I could get all the points nice and tight) I decided to go a different cooler.

I don't know if it has been mentioned by recently Silverstone released the Tundra TD-03 Slim designed for these cases. I couldn't find any reviews for it at all and just took a massive gamble and got it. Happy to report it paid off. Installed and works perfect, great cooler, fantastic temps (better then the Big Shriuken). The only thing I'm changed is I'm going to upgrade the Silverstone 15mm to a Prolimatech Ultrasleek Vertex 2 as it is a superior fan (the silverstone works okay but I wanted one slightly better).

If anyone has any questions of the Silverstone Tundra TD-03 slim feel free to ask. I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread if anyone else has it yet (probably but meh, I'm here if anyone is curious).

Cheers team :-)
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So, I've done more testing. I upgraded my Gigabyte GTX 970 MiniOC to the EVGA 970 SSC ACX2.0+. I know, I know, may not seem like much of an upgrade (if any), but for me the temps and especially noise was so much better. Plus the power delivery of the EVGA is so much better than the Gigabyte card.

I focused on that card because it had a good overclock, super great price at the time ($280), and the fins run perpendicular to the pcb, so as the fans blow air down into the heatsink the air will be directed out the sides of the card.Temps are still topping off at 80c, but it is much quieter and stable at that temp than the single fan of the Gigabyte. Interesting to note that when I took the filtered vent off the side, the temps only dropped 2c instead of 10c like it did with the single fan gpu.

I am convinced that if the ML08 had a lot more vents on the top of the case under the handle it would passively cool much better, otherwise all that heat gets trapped up there and eventually finds its way to the back thru those few vent holes. That trapped air ends up heating up the case, which then heats up the back and getting the SSD/HDD warm.

I have a dremel, do I dare?

***As a side note about the filtered vents on the ML08, I have had the case for a few weeks now, and already the vent over the Zalman CNPS8900 is covered in dust to the point that you can't see the fan thru the filter. PSU isn't nearly as bad because the fan doesn't run all the time.
Edited by brawleyman - 11/2/15 at 6:06pm
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Both CPU are not in the exact same spot. If you take ASrock's CPU placement as the reference then the Asus is approximatively 2mm to the right and 5mm down. This is why you cannot use the Cryorig C1. Because you'll gonna hit the PCIe riser.

Both Motherboard are fine to me : Realtek ALC 1150, M.2 support, 3 fan headers, USB 3.1, etc... I just can't justify to pay 50€ more for the ASrock for USB type-C and some features like support for HDMI 4K/60hz that I will not use.

Well... here in the states (depending on the vendor) there is little difference in prices between the two boards. Sometimes they are priced the same! Ideally I'd like to find a Thunderbolt 3 Mini ITX board with m.2 2280 support. Rumors are circulating of a Mini ITX GIGABYTE GA-Z170X-Gaming G1 would fit the bill but at this time it still appears to be all smoke and mirrors. Besides, I'm guessing the price will be through the roof. Time to pull the trigger and stop looking over the horizon. Since you already successfully installed the ASRock and went through all the headaches with the coolers and are reporting good temps... to me its worth any extra money to go for the ASRock and simply follow your lead. (i.e. - ASrock Z170 Gaming ITX and Cryorig C1... correct? )
Saves me from having to reinvent the wheel thumb.gif
Edited by Elton Noway - 11/3/15 at 10:57am
   
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Windows 10 Professional BenQ XL2730Z 27" Black-Red MOdel 1ms SILVERSTONE SX500-LG 500W SFX-L 80 PLUS GOLD SilverStone Milo ML07B (Black) 
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Cryorig XF140mm x 25.4mm (CPU / Case fan) Noctua NF-P12 120 mm Nine Blade SSO Bearing Fan... Noctua NF-P12 120 mm Nine Blade SSO Bearing Fan...  Penn F1686/25 4pc large rubber speaker cabinet... 
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SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 256GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4  SystemX 1TB SATA 6Gbps 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (pending) CRYORIG C1 ITX Top Flow Cooler 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 Professional BenQ XL2730Z 27" Black-Red MOdel 1ms SILVERSTONE SX500-LG 500W SFX-L 80 PLUS GOLD SilverStone Milo ML07B (Black) 
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Cryorig XF140mm x 25.4mm (CPU / Case fan) Noctua NF-P12 120 mm Nine Blade SSO Bearing Fan... Noctua NF-P12 120 mm Nine Blade SSO Bearing Fan...  Penn F1686/25 4pc large rubber speaker cabinet... 
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Salut l'ami français ! (je suis français aussi)

Merci mec !

Thanks so much for the insight. I suppose I have a few decisions to make. I like the idea of the Noctua NH-L12 using the case fan to help.

As I suppose you're right at the top of the case, how flush would the Gigabyte board be with the case vent?

How tall is that Kingston Hyper X RAM?

Thanks again.
Edited by Swinmail - 11/3/15 at 3:18am
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