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post #5521 of 7141
Hi everyone, great looking builds here!

Just got the ML08B (Filtered with Handle) version and the only way I can keep my reference 980 Ti from throttling too much is with 75% Fan Speed which is quite loud if the PC is right next to you on the table.

My question is, would I be better served by a 980 Ti with an aftermarket cooler such as the Twin Frozr/Strix/Windforce? I know SilverStone rep Tony Ou gave some input on the RVZ02/ML08 performing better with an open-air GPU but I believe that's true for the windowed version with unrestricted intakes. What about for the filtered version?

I wish I had a non-reference GPU to test with but unfortunately I only have one. My GPU sits comfortably at its 83C temp target but I'm afraid my GPU Boost gets limited unless I really ramp the fans up. It's either sacrifice some performance or use headphones to forego the noise and maximize power.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

The rig isn't completely done yet but for reference, it's the ML08B-H, 6700k, Z170N Gaming 5, GTX 980 Ti (Stock Blower).
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Originally Posted by jmdulay View Post

Hi everyone, great looking builds here!

Just got the ML08B (Filtered with Handle) version and the only way I can keep my reference 980 Ti from throttling too much is with 75% Fan Speed which is quite loud if the PC is right next to you on the table.

My question is, would I be better served by a 980 Ti with an aftermarket cooler such as the Twin Frozr/Strix/Windforce? I know SilverStone rep Tony Ou gave some input on the RVZ02/ML08 performing better with an open-air GPU but I believe that's true for the windowed version with unrestricted intakes. What about for the filtered version?

I wish I had a non-reference GPU to test with but unfortunately I only have one. My GPU sits comfortably at its 83C temp target but I'm afraid my GPU Boost gets limited unless I really ramp the fans up. It's either sacrifice some performance or use headphones to forego the noise and maximize power.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

The rig isn't completely done yet but for reference, it's the ML08B-H, 6700k, Z170N Gaming 5, GTX 980 Ti (Stock Blower).

If you arent too fussed about dust/ willing to clean your cooler often, pop off the filter on the GPU side and see how that goes for you
it should be the same as having a windowed panel as the cutouts are identical!
post #5523 of 7141
Hey guys

I am going to need an honest answer on this...

I have yet again delayed the purchase of my "completed" build parts. What triggered that are 2 things actually. 3 if we count my wife's reaction.

1 - We are very likely going to know much more about Pascal in April. With a little bit of luck, the actual GPU's will be sold early summer. Whenever someone suggests waiting for the new GPU's, the typical reply is "why wait when you can game right now". Well here's the thing, I already have a high end gaming laptop that allows me to play any game I throw at it (AW17 with a 980m mxm). This will be sold of course once I buy my "beast" HTPC. I'll replace it with an Ultrabook for surfing and stuff. That purchase will probably happen soon as my wife's laptop is dying.
So if I am "good" right now, would it make more sense to wait till summer and buy the "beast" with the GPU it deserves?

2- Unrelated but basically the reason why I believe my wife will shoot me where I stand: I will be buying a PS4 early April. I bought my PS3 with Uncharted 2 and Uncharted 4 is the reason I'll finally be buying the PS4 now. So buying BOTH a ps4 and an HTPC within a month will be stretching it. I already get funny looks when I game...

So to be honest, and it's not even a matter of budget, I think I am going to stick to my crappy Android box for a while longer, buy my PS4 and buy a deadly Pascal powered HTPC in Summer... Can anyone related to all this? Am I making the right choice?
post #5524 of 7141
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Hey guys

I am going to need an honest answer on this...

I have yet again delayed the purchase of my "completed" build parts. What triggered that are 2 things actually. 3 if we count my wife's reaction.

1 - We are very likely going to know much more about Pascal in April. With a little bit of luck, the actual GPU's will be sold early summer. Whenever someone suggests waiting for the new GPU's, the typical reply is "why wait when you can game right now". Well here's the thing, I already have a high end gaming laptop that allows me to play any game I throw at it (AW17 with a 980m mxm). This will be sold of course once I buy my "beast" HTPC. I'll replace it with an Ultrabook for surfing and stuff. That purchase will probably happen soon as my wife's laptop is dying.
So if I am "good" right now, would it make more sense to wait till summer and buy the "beast" with the GPU it deserves?

2- Unrelated but basically the reason why I believe my wife will shoot me where I stand: I will be buying a PS4 early April. I bought my PS3 with Uncharted 2 and Uncharted 4 is the reason I'll finally be buying the PS4 now. So buying BOTH a ps4 and an HTPC within a month will be stretching it. I already get funny looks when I game...

So to be honest, and it's not even a matter of budget, I think I am going to stick to my crappy Android box for a while longer, buy my PS4 and buy a deadly Pascal powered HTPC in Summer... Can anyone related to all this? Am I making the right choice?

I can relate. Pascal is almost around the corner. I'd like to see what it brings to the table. That, plus the other factors holding me back, means I've got no choice but to wait.
post #5525 of 7141
From some of the story's I have seen online Nvidia and AMD seem to be going for power efficiency over "fps" power with the next run of cards.

May be wrong but over the years the boost from last gen to new gen has been getting less and less every time
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A little update on my build and testing:)
Gigabyte GTX 960 4GB with Windforce 2x cooling solution and 750 GB WD HDD (5400 rpm) installed.

First thoughs:
On idle this HDD is most noisy component in the system. From dead silent to hearable from 1,5 [m] away. Its not loud, but its there.
When stressed just CPU there is added noise from Scythe fan running at 1200 RPM.
And that is all good news.
Now, for the bad:
GPU when stressed give off strange noise (frequency 1500 to 2700 [Hz]). Its like coil whine but on much lower frequency. Its the most anoying and loudest noise in entire system during stress.
Tried to reduce clocks, increase clocks, increase voltage, limit frames. From all this only limiting frames make change in noise frequency (bringing it down) and intensity of it. But its still there and so annoying.
Another thing is the fan in PSU. It is by far most quiet PSU with active cooling I've ever worked with. But there is subtle noise from it (like old HDD durnig writing/reading operations would make).
PSU is acceptable but GPU is no go. Any advice on dealing with that strange noise issue?

And for the temps:
IDLE and internet browsing:
CPU - 26 to 28 °C (fan speed: 700 RPM)
GPU - 32 to 34 °C (GPU side panel removed, fan speed: 0 RPM)
GPU - 36 to 38 °C (GPU side panel on with filter, 0 RPM)
HDD - 27 °C (GPU side panel removed)
HDD - 30 °C (GPU side panel on with filter)
SSD - 28 °C (GPU side panel removed)
SSD - 30 °C (GPU side panel on with filter)
MB - 46 °C

STRESSED: (3h of Unigine Valley max settings on 1080p - 1h with GPU side panel removed and 2h with GPU side panel on with filter) and for CPU (CPU-Z stress aplied)
CPU - 38 to 40 °C (fan speed: 1320 RPM)
GPU - 52 to 54 °C (GPU side panel removed, fan speed: 800 RPM)
GPU - 66 to 67 °C (GPU side panel on with filter, 1130 RPM)
HDD - 32 °C (GPU side panel removed)
HDD - 41 °C (GPU side panel on with filter)
SSD - 32 °C (GPU side panel removed)
SSD - 42 °C (GPU side panel on with filter)
MB - 49 °C
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post #5527 of 7141
@Quintin2 Thanks for getting some valuable numbers up there for the RVZ02/ML08. That's pretty much been the consus for those of us with these cases and filters, about a 10 degree drop in GPU temps without the filter. It's a pain to take the sides off and blow some air thru, but it makes my system much quieter because the fans aren't spinning quite as fast.

@DrAwesome95 So, I found out that my office is adding a workshop (perk for employees) that will include metal and wood working tools, including a laser cutter that we can use any time after hours! I'm going to experiment with that on my own case once it is installed. I have a few ideas, thankfully there is a 2nd identical panel with these cases to experiment with. smile.gif

Oh yeah, I found this at Home Depot that I can cut up and use as a grill guard for the opening on top of my case (still haven't done anything with it yet). Super cheap and I think it will work great for a grill. It's actually a piece of gutter guard. I have it sitting in my office still along with some door edge trim from Autozone to test out once I get some fans.

Edited by brawleyman - 2/25/16 at 2:28pm
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post #5528 of 7141
@brawleyman

Hey that's great news!
I'm thinking of actually doing a bit of prototyping and sending it off to Silverstone as a suggestion for the next version of the RVZ02/ML08
Plenty of great ideas floating around this forum

Give me a yell if you'd like my CAD drawings / dimensions and such to save some time.
post #5529 of 7141
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@brawleyman

Hey that's great news!
I'm thinking of actually doing a bit of prototyping and sending it off to Silverstone as a suggestion for the next version of the RVZ02/ML08
Plenty of great ideas floating around this forum

Give me a yell if you'd like my CAD drawings / dimensions and such to save some time.

Cool beans, I appreciate it! I'm thinking of perhaps keeping with the same style as the factory vents, just extending it across the entire top of the case for a nice uniform look and mounting holes for the fans with spacers so they aren't right up against the metal. We will see how it goes. They plan on having the laser cutter in place by the end of March before an open house for our office.

While at it, I might just see about working on some custom side panels from scratch that won't have the stupid "J" shape. The case will have an actual bottom and top fixed with removable side panels... biggrin.gif

Shoot, if I'm doing that, I might as well create an entire custom case myself! thumb.gif
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post #5530 of 7141
Wow. It's fortunate you guys have the tools and skills necessary for the case mod.

If I ever shoot on getting one, the most I can probably do is drill holes on the top (and bottom?) part of the panels, LOL!

And I wouldn't be surprised if that creates issues down the line (paint peeling, warping, etc.)
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Originally Posted by Quintin2 View Post

A little update on my build and testing:)
Gigabyte GTX 960 4GB with Windforce 2x cooling solution and 750 GB WD HDD (5400 rpm) installed.

First thoughs:
On idle this HDD is most noisy component in the system. From dead silent to hearable from 1,5 [m] away. Its not loud, but its there.
When stressed just CPU there is added noise from Scythe fan running at 1200 RPM.
And that is all good news.
Now, for the bad:
GPU when stressed give off strange noise (frequency 1500 to 2700 [Hz]). Its like coil whine but on much lower frequency. Its the most anoying and loudest noise in entire system during stress.
Tried to reduce clocks, increase clocks, increase voltage, limit frames. From all this only limiting frames make change in noise frequency (bringing it down) and intensity of it. But its still there and so annoying.
Another thing is the fan in PSU. It is by far most quiet PSU with active cooling I've ever worked with. But there is subtle noise from it (like old HDD durnig writing/reading operations would make).
PSU is acceptable but GPU is no go. Any advice on dealing with that strange noise issue?

And for the temps:
IDLE and internet browsing:
CPU - 26 to 28 °C (fan speed: 700 RPM)
GPU - 32 to 34 °C (GPU side panel removed, fan speed: 0 RPM)
GPU - 36 to 38 °C (GPU side panel on with filter, 0 RPM)
HDD - 27 °C (GPU side panel removed)
HDD - 30 °C (GPU side panel on with filter)
SSD - 28 °C (GPU side panel removed)
SSD - 30 °C (GPU side panel on with filter)
MB - 46 °C

STRESSED: (3h of Unigine Valley max settings on 1080p - 1h with GPU side panel removed and 2h with GPU side panel on with filter) and for CPU (CPU-Z stress aplied)
CPU - 38 to 40 °C (fan speed: 1320 RPM)
GPU - 52 to 54 °C (GPU side panel removed, fan speed: 800 RPM)
GPU - 66 to 67 °C (GPU side panel on with filter, 1130 RPM)
HDD - 32 °C (GPU side panel removed)
HDD - 41 °C (GPU side panel on with filter)
SSD - 32 °C (GPU side panel removed)
SSD - 42 °C (GPU side panel on with filter)
MB - 49 °C

How'd you get both the HDD and the GPU to fit? Is the GPU is less than 8 inches long, or did you make a custom solution? Would a constant 40+ °C have any adverse effects on HDD longevity?
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