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post #671 of 7129
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Originally Posted by Mariolillo View Post

Silentpcreview didn't showed good numbers on the GeminII M4, so at least I haven't considered it.

I've been thinking between the AXP-100, Thermolab ITX30 (full copper which helps a lot) and now the Noctua NH-L12 with a setup like Legtom showed us.
I've been seeing the heatsinks on this page as well. smile.gif

I wish I could get the NH-L12 on this motherboard without having to bend the heat pipes a little so the PCI-e slot can be free. I really wish I would of not gone with this mobo. I really think the AXP-100 might be the best choice, unless you can fit that NH-L12.

The Zalman is another good cooler, but ugly as sin. LOL!

I'll stay away from the GeminII.
post #672 of 7129
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Originally Posted by CaptainZombie View Post

I wish I could get the NH-L12 on this motherboard without having to bend the heat pipes a little so the PCI-e slot can be free. I really wish I would of not gone with this mobo. I really think the AXP-100 might be the best choice, unless you can fit that NH-L12.

The Zalman is another good cooler, but ugly as sin. LOL!

I'll stay away from the GeminII.

Yeah that's the bad thing of the CPU socket near the pcie slot :/

It was one of the reasons why I went with the asrock z87e board. It turned out to be solid.

I've not seen good reviews on the Zalman but I'm looking. It is full copper as it seems so it may be really good as well

Another drawback of the nh-L12 is the price. You can get the axp-100 muscle for a better price.

Edit: zalman is ugly lol, but well noctua fans are not the most beautiful thing either tongue.gif
post #673 of 7129
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Originally Posted by CaptainZombie View Post

The guy in that thread seems to be very helpful too reading his comments.

Ok. that makes sense to go that route and yes, 8db difference is a lot for sure.
It comes with a bunch of different brackets for install. AMD and Intel.
post #674 of 7129
I dont care if its ugly or not. I dont see it unless Im in the case....I just dont want to hear it and its gotta cool well...

I really like Legtom's numbers. I may just RMA the GeminII before opening it. it looks like you have to screw it in from the bottom. That would be a pain if you ever had to replace your RAM or just get into the motherboard.
post #675 of 7129
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Originally Posted by whoanelly View Post

I dont care if its ugly or not. I dont see it unless Im in the case....I just dont want to hear it and its gotta cool well...

I share your opinion on that
post #676 of 7129
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Originally Posted by Mariolillo View Post

Yeah that's the bad thing of the CPU socket near the pcie slot :/

It was one of the reasons why I went with the asrock z87e board. It turned out to be solid.

I've not seen good reviews on the Zalman but I'm looking. It is full copper as it seems so it may be really good as well

Another drawback of the nh-L12 is the price. You can get the axp-100 muscle for a better price.

Edit: zalman is ugly lol, but well noctua fans are not the most beautiful thing either tongue.gif

I should of done better planning with my motherboard choice. LOL!

The NH-L12 is rather pricy at $70, a knock that Noctua always gets about their prices.

Since you are still looking at the coolers and I read through your posts with doyll, the AXP-100 still looks like its really good. I found another positive review for it:


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To be honest, once I opened the box and saw the way the cooler was packaged, I thought to myself, this is nice, and more manufacturers should do this. Then as I dug the cooler out of the inner packaging and got to looking at it, I realized that this wasn't some fly-by-night design. There was a lot of thought and time that went into the AXP-100. First off it's a real pain to even get a C-style cooler this small, and still have it be effective enough to warrant any attention. Secondly, there is that trick little support system that keeps the cooler square and keeps users from kinking the heat pipes. Then, as if the fan on the cooler isn't perfect for what the AXP-100 is intended to do, they give users an adapter plate to allow them to throw on a Delta or Kaze fan if they wish.

From what I can see, and what I gathered from my testing, all that time and effort in the AXP-100 was well worth it. Here I am already saying I can see why its priced as it is, and I never covered the nickel coating, the pipe covers with TR logo's on them, nor did I cover the easy to use mounting system.

The fans I tested with are in fact plenty for the AXP-100, where the TY-100 actually performs better on the cooler than its larger brother. I was also advised that the fans being placed on the cooler to draw air off the motherboard would improve things since the fan wouldn't recycle heated air that way. I found that in my open air setup, it made no difference, but in a small form factor case with a PSU over it, it may make a couple of degrees difference. The reason the TY-140 did a little worse is for two reasons. When under PWM the fan speed was kept under 900 RPM most of the time, and hence not allowing the fan to really overtake the situation. At load, the CFM increases, but of course air seeks an easy path, and since the fan is larger than the fin body, you get a lot of the air ending up around the cooler, and not actually going through the cooler. By all means, if this isn't going in an HTPC, get a different fan and deal with the noise, the cooler has what it takes to keep even a heavy overclock under control; it just needs the right fan to help things along.

While my initial impression of the $59.95 MSRP was that it was a bit high, I have to say; at this point my mind is changed. The only coolers that may fit where the AXP-100 fits are the ETD-60-VD and the NH-L12, and both of those are larger and run closer to $70. On the other end you have the NH-L9i and the PH-TC90LS, which can be had at near $50 and $30 respectively, but neither of these coolers could finish the overclocked run of our testing. I have to say that Thermalright hit the low-profile market right where it had a hole, and I will bet that they will have no issues moving these coolers with the results I got with it.

It really is the perfect cooler for small environments. It allows you to use it in silence as-is and enjoy the comforts of managed thermals inside the PC and limited noise coming out of it. For those of you with something like the FT03 Mini, or even a Prodigy, slap in the AXP-100 and get a killer fan with high CFM and static pressure, and go ahead and clock the snot out of that gaming rig, the AXP-100 can handle the job with the right fan selection.

Read more at http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5216/thermalright-axp-100-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/index10.html


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Originally Posted by Mariolillo View Post

I share your opinion on that

The Zalman CNPS8900 Quiet CPU Cooler is what was recommended by a few people in the earlier pages here in this thread. I think there is another one that is a step above this one which is the Extreme Quiet Edition for $59.99.
Edited by CaptainZombie - 3/28/14 at 7:04pm
post #677 of 7129
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I reordered this case and the ST45SF-G earlier today. I'm just trying to figure out on which cooler to order tonight since the ASRock Z77E is a bit of a ***** with that CPU socket being so close to the PCI-e slot.
Edited by CaptainZombie - 3/28/14 at 7:01pm
post #678 of 7129
My current build:

[CASE] Lian-Li PC-A04B bought in 2011
[POWER SUPPLY] Antec NeoECO 620W bought in 2011
[MOTHERBOARD] Gigabyte H57 mATX LGA 1156 bought in 2011
[CPU] Intel Core i7-875K 2.93 GHz (Lynnfield) bought in 2012
[COOLER] Thermalright TRUE Spirit 120M bought in 2013
[RAM] 8GB (2x) 2x2GB G.Skill Eco DDR3 1600MHz 7-8-7-24 bought in 2011
[SSD] Samsung 470 Series 120GB SATA 2 bought in 2011
[HDD] Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB bought in 2008
[GPU] EVGA GTX 670 2GB Kepler bought in 2013

This is my old rig, started as an HTPC but quickly transformed into a gaming rig as my needs changed. Upgraded the CPU, GPU, and cooler most recently. Had a sort of Eco sub-theme going.

My new build would be something like this:
[CASE] Silverstone RVZ01 or ML07
[POWER SUPPLY] Silverstone SFX 600W (when it's released)
[MOTHERBOARD] ASRock Z97 Mini-ITX (when it's released)
[CPU] Intel Core i5-4690K Haswell "refresh" (when it's released)
[COOLER] Thermalright AXP-100 Muscle (stock seems to have replenished dropping the price quite a bit)
[RAM] 16GB (2x8GB) Crucial Ballistix VLP (I love the super lower profile memory, and I do need additional capacity)
[SSD] 500GB Samsung 840 EVO (now as little as $0.50 a GB)
[GPU] Nvidia Maxwell 3+GB (when it's released)
post #679 of 7129
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Originally Posted by CaptainZombie View Post

I should of done better planning with my motherboard choice. LOL!

The NH-L12 is rather pricy at $70, a knock that Noctua always gets about their prices.

Since you are still looking at the coolers and I read through your posts with doyll, the AXP-100 still looks like its really good. I found another positive review for it:



The Zalman CNPS8900 Quiet CPU Cooler is what was recommended by a few people in the earlier pages here in this thread. I think there is another one that is a step above this one which is the Extreme Quiet Edition for $59.99.

So it seems that the AXP is just below the NH-L12 by 2 degrees at stock clocks, but at over clocking it was on 13 degrees more than the NH-L12. This was the test I was referring to when you first mentioned the AXP-100, granted I quickly gazed at it. What I dont like about this sort of test is it looks like they are doing it with the MB out in the open. With our RVZ01, we could/would have the side/top 15MM fan mounted as intake blowing on top of the AXP. 59 degrees seemed a tad high but I guess these load tests are a little inflated in comparison a load of a game would be? and I would guess much lower during a HD movie stream/playback.

Toms hardware did a review of 8 low profile coolers. On that list the is the Zalaman CNPS8900 Quiet, NT06, NH-L12 and the AXP-200 (not sure how it differs from the 100) They rank the Zalaman best buy and it actually scores good temps. it measured 51 degrees overclocked at 4Ghz with a lower voltage. The NH-l12 clocked 49, axp-200 in the middle at 50. NT06 was 49 as well. They go on to talk RPM and noise levels (and the NT06 was loud) Tthe review is here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-profile-heat-sink-mini-itx,3639.html

Someone on this thread did mention the Zalaman in their build...I was reading some reviews on newegg and it was mixed. Some people said it was quiet others loud and didn't cool well...but Im not so sure I would trust the average schmuck that posts there over Toms, they may not know what they are doing. I think the 15MM intake above the CPU should help too.

I think we can rule out the NT06 as we've seen people on this thread claim it was loud, and Toms review showed the DBs were real high albeit a good temp at 49.

Not sure how much different the AXP-100 is over the 200, assuming not much it seems that we have 3 decent Air Cooled options:
AXP-100/200 based on Toms Hardware review and the review you found on it on this site
NH-L12 minus the 25MM top fan but use the 15MM case fan we get in its place based on Legtoms review in actual action with this case (and Toms hardware review)
Zalaman CNPS8900 Quiet based on mentions on this thread and Toms Review.

Price goes to AXP followed by Zalaman and lastly NH-L12.

Still a tough choice...I cant seem to find the AXP in Canada but I kind of like it and would probably get it (gonna check ebay). The only thing turning me off the Zalaman is the fan (are these replaceable in the event of failure or do you buy a whole new kit?) Noctura is the premium, but does seem to perform well at the loss of the top 25MM fan. Would a 25MM fit under the GPU in this case, you could chuck it there...my OCD wouldn't like the fact there is 2 different fan types, but at least it wouldn't go to waste.

Capt, are you stuck with your MB or can you return?
Edited by whoanelly - 3/28/14 at 9:24pm
post #680 of 7129
axp-200 is 74MM high with fan
axp-100 is 58MM high with fan

dont think you could use the 200 with the side/top case fan.
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