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As I sit here in my wind tunnel, I started to think.......

How long will this last?

I have ''said'' amount of $$$ invested, how long will that take to pay off?

I have ''said'' equipment, how long will that be competitive?

What if I have to upgrade ''said'' equipment to be competitive, will the old stuff be paid off?


The equipment thing really kind of has me second guessing this investment at the moment. I mean some of the equipment I already had, and have no real intention of upgrading except my 680's in my gaming rig (which I mine at night).

So what I am thinking is...... this miner I just spent $2500 on ( six 270's), will the mining environment change before I pay off this investment? Hopefully not, but what if in a few months another generation of GPU's come out, or even new technology, that makes what I have not profitable anymore......


Anyone else think about this? I know mining is a risk.........
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Probably not long. Atleast the government has land and ****, this isnt backed by a damn thing. Bitcoin is worth as much as a piece of a paper really. Then you got 300 new coins popping up every month. I have no idea how any of this is worth ANYTHING. lmao.
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This is a VERY VERY VERY speculative market.. thankfully however, GPU's are versatile!

If you stop being profitable relative to your electricity cost, shut the operation down. Keep an eye on it though, you might have some profitable time windows still.

What I am doing is using a kill-a-watt to calculate exactly how much my electricity cost is for my miner, and I am keeping track of my revenues (in USD, after I have transferred them to my bank- dont forget that fees exist!) as well as electric and hardware expenses. I then am reinvesting half of NET profits (after electric and hardware costs) back into mining, while putting the other half in retirement accounts. I would suggest you consider doing something similar, or at least not purchasing new equipment with anything besides mining profits.

I have a R9 270, and my time for complete ROI is currently looking to be about 60 to 75 days- that isn't long compared to how long other people have been mining, so I am not too worried. However, I wanted a decent videocard for other reasons... if I were you I would be a lot more nervous, but there is a safety net. That safety net is salvage value! If your farm becomes less and less profitable before you have made back your initial investment in net profit, you have a bunch of videocards, and a low power computer setup. That can be useful for a server, and you can sell off the videocards. If you do this quickly when you realize you arent making money, they should still be all worth a lot. Even if you only receive $700 back, that could put your entire venture into the positive cash side of things. Essentially, you need to pay attention, but since you already have everything you can't do much else. And if you make all of your money back before it becomes unprofitable, great! Reinvest the profits! You then can no longer have lost any money unless you make rash decisions and spend too much money.
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Well I am going to bump this thread again since the general overall markets are not looking to good lately.

I have listed my miner on my local online classifieds, to see if I get anyone to buy it for a decent price. I am still mining on it, but only during the night and weekends when hydro cost make it profitable of me to have it on. Even then I am only making $3-5 a day during the week on VTC.

I can't really play the markets too much switching coins as my schedule and free time are slim. I also have not been selling anything with the hopes the value comes back up.

Doge has been in the news a lot lately, but that does not even affect that value as it keeps falling, and thats what I hold most of.

I miss PTS when I was making $20+ a day, but too bad I held them a little too long, and I lost about half the value when I turned them into BTC and then that BTC has lost over $100 of its value.

And at the end of all this, with the cost of hydro, I have not even covered that cost. So basically I have lost money....tongue.gif

All I can hope for is a surge in Doge and the price of BTC to climb too where I can maybe make $50..... but still out the hardware cost....
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haha so many short term miners are jumping ship. smile.gif

There is no way of telling. There has been like a 3 or 4 week dent in all the happiness.
But lately Blackcoin and Max coin have done very well. DOGE has dropped like crazy. But anything can happen. This market is still very young. And exciting I may add.

I am getting 10 Gridseed ASIC this week. 3.000 kh/s and uses 70 watts, I like that. I am in it for the long haul for sure.
 
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Well I am going to bump this thread again since the general overall markets are not looking to good lately.

I have listed my miner on my local online classifieds, to see if I get anyone to buy it for a decent price. I am still mining on it, but only during the night and weekends when hydro cost make it profitable of me to have it on. Even then I am only making $3-5 a day during the week on VTC.

I can't really play the markets too much switching coins as my schedule and free time are slim. I also have not been selling anything with the hopes the value comes back up.

Doge has been in the news a lot lately, but that does not even affect that value as it keeps falling, and thats what I hold most of.

I miss PTS when I was making $20+ a day, but too bad I held them a little too long, and I lost about half the value when I turned them into BTC and then that BTC has lost over $100 of its value.

And at the end of all this, with the cost of hydro, I have not even covered that cost. So basically I have lost money....tongue.gif

All I can hope for is a surge in Doge and the price of BTC to climb too where I can maybe make $50..... but still out the hardware cost....

Are you sure about losing money? How much are you paying for hydro?

Right now I get $300 a month and pay $150 for hydro.

My hydro is 10.5 cent a kWh on average, after tax and delivery it's 15 cents.
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I had this posted in another thread.........


Ok so I worked out my estimated hydro cost. and this is what I have found.

Equipment:

Six R9 270 Miner (G3220) - 1000w @ 2500 kh/s
Two GTX 780ti (3930k) - 1000w @ 1400 kh/s
Three GTX 660ti (2700k) - 500w @ 720 kh/s
Two GTX 680 (875k) - 800w @ 700 kh/s

Total 3300w @ 5320 kh/s

I did the math to figure out the other charges like Delivery, Regulation and Debt fees and these are the prices per kWh on the higher end.

Hydro Cost / kWh

Peak time (11am-5pm) - 12.9 cents / kWh
Mid time (7am-11am, 5pm-7pm) - 10.9 cents / kWh
Low time (7pm-7am Weekday and 24 hrs Weekends) - 7.2 cents / kWh

Fees

Delivery - 53% of total hydro cost
Regulatory - .006 cents / kWh
Debt Retirement - .007 cents / kWh

Can't forget the 13% HST tax on top of the sub-total.

Then they try and help me out with a 10% credit off the total of my bill up to 3000 kWh, after that I don't know. So if I pull 3001 kWh in my total household, which would be easy with ALL my rigs going 24/7, would I still get the 10%??? I don't know that, so I am not going to factor that in.

So I then calculated mining 24/7 and then only during the Low Peak

24/7

Peak = 436 kWh = $56.24
Mid = 436 kWh = $47.55
Low = 1505 kWh = $108.34

2377 kWh total = $212

Hydro Cost = $212
Fee's and Tax = $188

Total cost for JUST mining = $400/month

This calculates to 17 cents / kWh and since I have been just mining Doge, it comes to $7-12 profit / day depending on what day you check CoinWarz.



12hrs / Day During Low Rate

1505 kWh total = $108

Hydro Cost = $108
Fee's and Tax = $101

Total for mining at night = $209/month

This calculates to 14 cents/ / kWh which is $3-5 profit / day


$200 more hydro bills are easier to swallow than $400 hydro bills. I'm 2 months behind when I get my bill. This month I just paid meter reading for January. So if the market crashes, I have to suck up $800 of hydro bills with NO income coming in from mining......
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Originally Posted by Hukkel View Post

haha so many short term miners are jumping ship. smile.gif

There is no way of telling. There has been like a 3 or 4 week dent in all the happiness.
But lately Blackcoin and Max coin have done very well. DOGE has dropped like crazy. But anything can happen. This market is still very young. And exciting I may add.

I am getting 10 Gridseed ASIC this week. 3.000 kh/s and uses 70 watts, I like that. I am in it for the long haul for sure.

I'm not jumping ship, I just may start looking for better mining equipment that is energy efficient.....thumb.gif
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DCB-FM01 Koolance CTR-SPD24X2  Vans - (Lampton FC5) Fan Controller Koolance PMP-450 (x2) 
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Koolance RP-452X2   240mm (11 fpi) 360mm (11 fpi) (x2) Rads480mm (... Koolance INS-FM18  Koolance Fittings, Coolant 
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