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No argument with this one. The problem really was the 7970/680 generation. Those two designs took a die usually sold for the $250-$350 price range and made it $500+. That's where the real jump happened.

The later cards after that were mostly reactionary for both camps. Hawaii maybe being the only one at correct prices (well at least at MSRP) compared to the original small AMD dies. Problem is that it came way too late, has supply issues and gets overpriced because of that.
I personally wont pay any more than $500 max for a sub 350mm^2 die.

The only thing I know is that I wont be buying a GM204 GTX 880 at $700.
those 2 GPU were the problems, but AMD are only mainly to be blame on underclocked 7970 for yield + 7970 being rop bottlenecked that give its mediocre performance. Nvidia see this opportunity, start over-clock GK104 & sell as GTX680 @ $500. The GK104 + immature TSMC 28nm wasnt initially design to run at those clocks, this is why u see many GTX680 facing yield issue at the beginning. GPU price above $500 were started small step +$50($550) by AMD(where it suppose to be priced $400-450), it is Nvidia that took pricing to a whole new level ($700-$1000). mad.gif

If I would only pay $500 for a new tank class 400-500mm2 GPU, until that happens I will not buy a GPU
I still recall I could buy a 300mm^2 GTX460 for only $150 @256bit bus.
Edited by Clocknut - 3/2/14 at 1:47am
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I'm seriously considering an 880 but not at $699 or $799. Only if it's $499. Sad really.
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early 28nm was a disaster for Nvidia, hopefully they don't make the same mistakes with 20nm.
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early 28nm was a disaster for Nvidia, hopefully they don't make the same mistakes with 20nm.

That's interesting. Let's see, the 7970 was released in January 2012, with the GK104 being released 2 months later. Yeah, 28nm was SUCH a disaster, in fact, that the GTX 680 outperformed the recently released (at the time) AMD halo 7970 and outsold it by a ton. The GTX 680 was perennially sold out for months while the 7970s were collecting dust on the shelves, that's how bad 28nm was. The 550$ 7970 outperformed by the 499$ GTX 680, and that was with a mid range chip intended to be the GTX 660/670. Sounds like it was a real tragedy for nvidia at the time.
Edited by xoleras - 3/2/14 at 10:37am
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1) From just a practicality standpoint, is it even likely yield would be high enough on a new node that nv could even get big maxwell out anytime this year anyway?

New node, new architecture, seems like to expect no hiccups is asking a lot, no?

And I don't mean from a business standpoint, selling small die for quite awhile first because its performance is well above anything else, then only introducing the big die when it's finally threatened. I mean is (1) possible even if they wanted to?
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1) From just a practicality standpoint, is it even likely yield would be high enough on a new node that nv could even get big maxwell out anytime this year anyway?

New node, new architecture, seems like to expect no hiccups is asking a lot, no?

And I don't mean from a business standpoint, selling small die for quite awhile first because its performance is well above anything else, then only introducing the big die when it's finally threatened. I mean is (1) possible even if they wanted to?

Who knows. NV stated that GM200/204 will be out in Q3. Whether that happens, who knows. I just look at it more or less as when it happens, it happens - i'm not tripping over myself for a new GPU, i'm pleased with my performance for the time being. As far as Maxwell goes, I think it'll be interesting when scaled up to a 250W TDP , considering the efficiency improvements. Whether it's released in August or December, who knows.

That said, I certainly hope GM200 not reserved for HPC first as GK110 was. I'd rather get a true halo GPU part from the get-go whenever 20nm is ready, but what NV does is anyone's guess I suppose.
Edited by xoleras - 3/2/14 at 10:35am
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I don't think the higher end Maxwells will launch before late summer (at the very earliest), however replacing the 780Ti after 5 months wouldn't be unprecedented.

Are people seriously completely ignoring this thread's title? We have a direct source of Nvidia itself saying when 800 series comes, and that's second half 2014.
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Q2 = April 1 - June 30

vs second half = after July (Q3-Q4) including December 31st

It's a big difference.

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xoleras , the entire finance department at Nvidia is going to stop that from happening. HPC / mobile comes first , whether or not they are launched first to the public is a different story (see Quadro K5000 / Quadro K6000 / Tesla K20).
Edited by AlphaC - 3/2/14 at 10:56am
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Are people seriously completely ignoring this thread's title? We have a direct source of Nvidia itself saying when 800 series comes, and that's second half 2014.


Which would come at the earliest in July, I am stepping up for a GTX 780 for $165 and not really concerned about the GTX 880. I think it will be at least the $599 price point and not be crazy jump in performance. Now if it comes out and its a 30% increase over the GTX 780 and the price point is $599 then I might kick myself a bit but for $165 for a upgrade to a GTX 780 I think that will last me a few years.
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I'll be running my sweet GTX 770 for a while if the prices go insane thumb.gif
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