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I hope AMD can come to the party and deliver a product at the same / similar time. With Mantle they don't even need to put in the same effort, throw in a better cooler than their recent one and people won't be so shy. That means Nvidia will have to do something better.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

Better if you love hot and loud video cards with broken frame metering for 2 years running, yeah, sure. wink.gif Besides which, I went from OC'ed 7970s to OC'ed 680s (msi lightning) and the 7970s were not faster. But think what you will.

Sad thing is I would have kept the 7970s until I had it one too many times with AMD's incompetent software team. I did like the 7970s at first, that is, until I went into CF + surround then it all went down the drain. Downloading a new WHQL that fixes one problem and creates 7 other problems gets old after a while. Especially with eyefinity being broken, frame pacing being broken, and their software in general crapping the bed. My favorite was not being able to recover from sleep for 1 year straight without crashing. HDMI audio never working. Control panel vsync not working. Witcher 2 crashing in crossfire for 5 months straight. I tell ya, AMD's software team is awesome. But the 7970s were GREAT if you can ignore that! thumb.gif GPUs with working software is overrated. OVERRATED! Who needs working drivers or software.

Nvidia have their fair share of issues too.

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its the drivers them selfs that are crashing which is causing the game to crash so its a driver issue nothing else and after a fresh install of windows the issue remains

i believe it is a power management issue because after changing power management mode to "prefer maximum performance" the issue went away so i believe the card is trying to idle while i am trying to play the game which then causes the driver to crash smile.gif

so i did find a work around but its a pain having to use a workaround for something that should just work so its a driver issue or a vbios issue most likely i think its a driver issue because it only started happening with newer drivers where as older last year drivers work fine
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Anyone having sound issues?

I'm losing sound in pretty much every game iv'e tried, after about 30 seconds or so.
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yeah planet side 2 is terrible with this driver
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Originally Posted by Cyro999 View Post

Vsync "trips" and holds frame til next refresh cycle in buffer if >any< frame takes longer than ~16.67ms to be ready on 60hz. You can have 100fps, yet still have frames falling below this threshold that you'd simply not realize were happening without monitoring frametimes with some software (or preferably hardware) solution.

Vsync isn't about maintaining 60fps, it's about not having any single frame slower than ~16.67fps. FPS meter won't show this as it doesn't display every frametime, only how many frames were displayed based on a rolling average (you can have no frames for half a second and then 120 frames on the next half second as an extreme example - current FPS meters would just say 60 if that was their update period)
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I'm talking about using the nvidia frame limiter function (via nvidia inspector) in conjunction with V-Sync. For years they worked fine together, but recently the idiots managed to break it so that V-Sync doesn't work properly when you enable the limiter (ie. there is tearing). I was hoping this regression might have been fixed by now, but I'm not holding my breath because I remember reading a note from an Nvidia rep with some drivel about it being that way "by design" - lets just forget all the time it worked fine before they broke it.

I'm not sure about other limiters such as the the RTSS (rivatuner) one, but different limiters react differently with different games, and the nvidia limiter is the only one that doesn't cause stutter in certain games, which is why it's important.
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First bad driver for me on Kepler. Using a new 780 and this driver made APB: Reloaded refuse to launch due to PhysX, as well as Metro: Last Light having huge performance issues with Advanced PhysX enabled. Whatever they did to the new PhysX driver set doesn't play well with a lot of existing games.

Edit: Reverting back to the previous beta driver and everything is A-OK
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And clearly you wont, I've been experiencing some massive screen tearing issues with this driver that I've never seen before... also, might just be my head, but I fee like it's not taking OC's as well as it was. this was experienced on the 780ti
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Metro Last light runs worse and worse the further you get from 320.49. Specially when it comes to PhysX.

Sounds like some of you may need to DDU & re-install.

Iv'e noticed V-sync is functioning differently. I get much better results using "on" in NVCP, when normally (in my experience) it's best to use "use application setting"
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Installed for 5 days and today i ran into a Black Screen on Cold Boot, just like the 331.XX did for me.

I'm going back to 327.23 which is working flawless.

Not sure what NVIDIA has done, but all Drivers after 327.23 cause Black Screens on Cold Boot for me. Mostly intervals of 1-3 weeks, and i'm unable to reproduce them they either happen or they don't.
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Ye, must be since it's running rock solid with 327.23 no Freezes, no BSODs, no nothing.

I have this same Haswell system since day one, and the issue started with 331.65. So it's clearly a driver issue.

I think it's time to say NVIDIA goodbye and go with AMD again, atleast they support custom ICC/ICM profles aswell.
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I installed these drivers a couple days ago and just noticed last night that MOH Warfighter now locks up constantly. Come on Nvidia! rolleyes.gif
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good will you sell me one of your titans for 500 bucks? It would nearly double my performance and I could sell my 7950 to a miner who obviously NEEDS to make cryptocurrencies with my card.

we'll be here when you get enough rep and i call dibs on the other one lol

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Nvidia have their fair share of issues too.

Yeah, the grass is always greener on the other side.
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Nvidia have their fair share of issues too.

SOURCE;










Still had way more issues in comparison before switching to nVidia. By the way, my quote was the latest nVidia driver version.
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Sigh. Does every GPU thread have to go down this same inane rat hole? rolleyes.gif Here we are in March 2014 rehashing the winners and losers of 2012's "7970 vs 680" debate in a thread entitled: "wccftech-geforce-800-series-arrives-in-second-half-of-2014". I mean let it go guys. The 7970 and 680 were both very successful cards for their respective companies (Nvidia clearly won the ultimate prize of vastly outselling their competition but AMD came through in the end with a 7970 that eventually well outperformed the 680 for the most part). We are now in 2014 and contemplating 20nm cards so this is all irrelevant anyway. You can cry taht AMD was responsible for the high prices or Nvida but whatever, the prices are what they are and you can either buy the new cards or not. I'm inclined to stick things out with my Titans through Maxwell and wait on Volta myself. We've long since arrived at the point where video card performance is outstripping the development of graphics so I'm betting these two Titans will continue to provide adequate performance in all games through 2015...
Really? If so, I don't know if you can find a person happier than me about it happening.
Btw, I don't think I really care about Maxwell, 20nm or the next card being a big die instead of a small die. Just give me a GPU that has a 100% improvement over a full GK110, which at least when SLI-ed will be able to absolutely max out 120Hz 1440p GSync screens in every game available. Nvidia has a (or two) 100% guaranteed sale provided that they can give me that.

Of course, preferred price point for the cards for me is maximum $500 each. With my current setup playing games at a satisfactory performance, I have got time on my hands too, until 2015 I would say.
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Really? If so, I don't know if you can find a person happier than me about it happening.
Btw, I don't think I really care about Maxwell, 20nm or the next card being a big die instead of a small die. Just give me a GPU that has a 100% improvement over a full GK110, which at least when SLI-ed will be able to absolutely max out 120Hz 1440p GSync screens in every game available. Nvidia has a (or two) 100% guaranteed sale provided that they can give me that.

Of course, preferred price point for the cards for me is maximum $500 each. With my current setup playing games at a satisfactory performance, I have got time on my hands too, until 2015 I would say.
more like u pay twice $500 for a card lol. If a 100% faster card are to release next few months or even in 2014, prepare to pay $1000 for it
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more like u pay twice $500 for a card lol. If a 100% faster card are to release next few months or even in 2014, prepare to pay $1000 for it
What does that mean?

Like I said, I do not plan on upgrading anytime sooner than 2015 if my system can provide me satisfactory performance at 1080p. The upgrade at that time would be to 120Hz 1440p GSync monitor (hopefully there will be more options then, with glossy panels) and one (or two, depending on its price and performance) flagship GPU(s).

But I would think long and hard before spending a grand on a single GPU again, if they are priced as such.
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Nvidia have their fair share of issues too.

SOURCE;

The difference being that i was able to find a resolution, which was forcing gen 3.0 support. NVidia has also been in the middle of rebuilding a few things, so problems are to be expected.
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i feel like theyre targeting power efficiency this year. idk im hoping for a 600 watt flagship like the kingpin but i dont see it coming

You understand that baseline efficiency affects the high end too, correct? Nvidia is designing one architecture to base their entire product stack on from mobile to desktop, and that includes Tegra, Geforce and Quadro. Obviously the tegra parts will be far cut down and the geforce parts are designed to scale - Maxwell will be a scaling architecture just as Kepler was; once Maxwell is scaled up to a 250-300W TDP desktop GPU I think it will be pretty beastly. Keep in mind that the GTX 750ti is double the performance of any 60W TDP part, it performs far beyond anything currently or has ever in the past for a 60W TDP. The AMD 65W TDP R7-250 performs at less than half of its speed, that is how insanely efficient the baseline Maxwell uarch is. And the kicker is - that is on 28nm. Now i'm just speculating here, but once scaled upwards with thousands of CUDA cores on 20nm, GM200 and GM204 will be downright beastly.

It was the same story with Kepler. When it was released in 2012, it was the most efficient architecture to have ever been designed. That directly resulted in the high end parts also performing exceptionally well, because it is a scaling architecture. GK107 was the first Kepler GPU to be released (for mobile) and NV scaled it upwards with more CUDA cores for the desktop. So we ended up with GK104, GK110, so on and so forth - these were all designed with the same scaling Kepler architecture, and Maxwell will also be a scaling architecture. So this same scaling will apply with Maxwell - we're just not sure when it will be released (although NV states GM200/204 will be Q3 this year), but I think it will be very interesting once scaled upwards towards 250W+ on a desktop GPU.

As far as Q3 goes, I hope it happens. If not, oh well. I'm fairly happy with my GPUs as things stand and i'm not tripping over myself to upgrade. While I think GM200/204 will be very interesting and high performing, I more or less view it as "when it happens it happens". Shall be an interesting release regardless.
Edited by xoleras - 3/3/14 at 6:12am
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