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They were ALL taken from the latest Nvidia driver thread.
That's kind of the point. I haven't had a issue with AMD i haven't been able to fix on my own either (Other than a D.O.A card) , either side can take a bit of tweaking to set it up right, but for some reason people seem happy to blame the drivers when AMD have issues, and look for reasons/ excuses when it's Nvidia. Just my observations. AMD are also "in the middle" of introducing a few things to (Mantle).

go to either company's bug report thread, they will both be FLOODED with issues, no matter the driver. It's incredibly hard to judge what the real issue is when reading bug reports/complaints. Most of it is probably Pebkac. My OS is on it's last legs, that's probably where my issue stemmed from.
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Why can't people just be happy we're getting new tech, and instead insist on dragging everyone through the same RvG mud every time either company is mentioned?
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Why can't people just be happy we're getting new tech, and instead insist on dragging everyone through the same RvG mud every time either company is mentioned?

because people hold onto pointless brand loyalty, and many of them also get that feeling deep down inside when they know the item they just purchased is months away from being obsolete once again...

I can't even imagine the fud that is flying now that AMD owners know that A.) Nvidia & MS are working together to overhaul Direct X to give it low level access just like mantle (something that we have been predicting since we found out about mantle)

And B.) That Volta is going to be the biggest revolution in GPU technology since the Voodoo series.... Nvidia is boasting ~1,000,000+ draw call capabilities via Project Denver. I'm also going to predict a big announcement from nvidia, since they are the main company helping Valve with SteamOS... Maybe a way to allow direct X use in linux, as that's going to be a huge hurdle for steamOS. SteamOS can only be a success if it can properly run every game on it's current library.

in other news... i may be selling my titans and going with 290x until volta, as titan prices are surging due to them going EOL.
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Why can't people just be happy we're getting new tech, and instead insist on dragging everyone through the same RvG mud every time either company is mentioned?

Beats me but someone inevitably spreads flame bait and fud and someone gets annoyed seeing their stupidity, responds to it, and it snowballs from there with people wishing one company would go out of business, or throw a pink pants barney party on YouTube, or some equally ludicrous thing, and won't seem to grasp their own foolishness. That some posters are compensated and don't disclose that fact doesn't help.
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because people hold onto pointless brand loyalty, and many of them also get that feeling deep down inside when they know the item they just purchased is months away from being obsolete once again...

I can't even imagine the fud that is flying now that AMD owners know that A.) Nvidia & MS are working together to overhaul Direct X to give it low level access just like mantle (something that we have been predicting since we found out about mantle)

And B.) That Volta is going to be the biggest revolution in GPU technology since the Voodoo series.... Nvidia is boasting ~1,000,000+ draw call capabilities via Project Denver. I'm also going to predict a big announcement from nvidia, since they are the main company helping Valve with SteamOS... Maybe a way to allow direct X use in linux, as that's going to be a huge hurdle for steamOS. SteamOS can only be a success if it can properly run every game on it's current library.

in other news... i may be selling my titans and going with 290x until volta, as titan prices are surging due to them going EOL.

You know, I don't think brand loyalty is a terrible thing. If both companies were even, and there are varying opinions on this, then brand loyalty would make no sense. However, if you have a bad experience with company "X" will you go back? I'd say the vast majority of consumers in fact will not. Now if I see marked improvement to satisfaction to where I feel comfortable returning, I wouldn't hesitate to do so. Fact of the matter is, not all companies are created equal - some excel at certain things, while others excel at others. Nvidia excels at software. They're not perfect. BUT. I feel that software is just as critical as hardware is. It blows my mind that 2 year old issues with a competing brand are outright being denied, company "X" even admitted to such problems while simultaneously taking years to address it and only partially at that. The fact that any bug takes anyone two years to address it only partially, it blows my mind. Anyway, you don't drop over a grand without thinking of long term consequences of consumer loyalty, IMO. Without devolving this thread into flame bait, i'll leave it at that. Maybe some feel that way about Nvidia. I don't know. I don't really care to be honest, I know what works for me and in the end, I care about my PC more than anyone elses. wink.gif If it works for me without hair pulling issues which competing product had, I know what i'll do.

I certainly agree the focal point of this thread should be related to the topic at hand, Maxwell. Maybe we can get back to that now.
Edited by xoleras - 3/3/14 at 6:52pm
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Why can't people just be happy we're getting new tech, and instead insist on dragging everyone through the same RvG mud every time either company is mentioned?

I love quick tech releases, I really do, you just have to understand that people don't like being ripped off at the same time.

I bought a $649 780 in May 2013. It dropped to $499, I sold it for $450 ($300 loss), and bought a ridiculously overpriced $700 Ti on launch (ya, I'm an addicted idiot).

Counting my loss on the 780 and shipping, tax, and brokerage fees, I basically paid $1100-$1200 for a single 780 Ti.

Which person in my position who's not rich is happy to see another $700 880 come out in the next several months?

Nobody likes being jerked around by companies. They screwed us with a midranged GTX 680 at flagship prices, screwed Titan users by releasing a card 2/3rds as cheap @ 95% performance with the 780 3 months later, screwed early 780 adopters with a $150 price drops, and released a full GK110 chip with the Ti and sold it at a retarded price.
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These companies didn't screw people, as they didn't force you to buy it. Price drops always come around the block. Anyone who has followed the last few evolutions knew that nvidia was only charging these prices because they had a serious upper hand, as soon as the competition released a new product the prices dropped into normal territories. Really, you are screwing your self buy early adopting the technology, as prices always drop.

I purchased 2 titans @ 999$, then purchased the third @ 750$... I don't feel screwed... hell... they have done nothing but get faster thanks to the community. They use to top out ~1000mhz, now I can run them @ 1334mhz w/ 7.5ghz memory all day. They will easily last me until volta releases, also a 3gb card wasn't an option due to the resolutions I run, as i knew games would start sucking up more and more vram. Most new titles easily consume over 3gb in new titles @ max settings so i threw money @ them willingly. Anyone who purchased titans for single screen gaming screwed them selves. It's as simple as that.
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I paid $379.99 for my 5870 a month after it released, and I am using it to this day.

how can that be ? now that goldentiger has said its not possible. biggrin.gif HD 5870 launched at USD 380. the prices went up to USD 450 and even higher and were still selling for USD 400 - 420 , even 6 months later.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2841
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3621/amds-radeon-hd-5870-eyefinity-6-edition-reviewed

but the fact is AMD did not change MSRP. Due to huge demand and lack of competition (the GF100 delay) retailers as usual started price gouging. none of this matters to goldentiger who will always blame AMD for retailer price gouging when it comes to AMD products.

See according to goldentiger if GTX Titan or GTX 780 launched at their respective prices of USD 1000 and USD 650 its because AMD cannot compete. there again AMD is to blame. But if HD 5870 launched at USD 380 but retailers quickly started making extra money due to the huge demand and lack of competition its again AMD's fault. warped logic thumb.gif
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Beats me but someone inevitably spreads flame bait and fud and someone gets annoyed seeing their stupidity, responds to it, and it snowballs from there with people wishing one company would go out of business, or throw a pink pants barney party on YouTube, or some equally ludicrous thing, and won't seem to grasp their own foolishness. That some posters are compensated and don't disclose that fact doesn't help.

you speaking of yourself. lachen.gif
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These companies didn't screw people, as they didn't force you to buy it. Price drops always come around the block. Anyone who has followed the last few evolutions knew that nvidia was only charging these prices because they had a serious upper hand, as soon as the competition released a new product the prices dropped into normal territories. Really, you are screwing your self buy early adopting the technology, as prices always drop.

I purchased 2 titans @ 999$, then purchased the third @ 750$... I don't feel screwed... hell... they have done nothing but get faster thanks to the community. They use to top out ~1000mhz, now I can run them @ 1334mhz w/ 7.5ghz memory all day. They will easily last me until volta releases, also a 3gb card wasn't an option due to the resolutions I run, as i knew games would start sucking up more and more vram. Most new titles easily consume over 3gb in new titles @ max settings so i threw money @ them willingly. Anyone who purchased titans for single screen gaming screwed them selves. It's as simple as that.

Being charged ridiculous prices in the first place and then seeing new stuff released every 3-6 months thus destroying the value of your investment isn't something a lot of people take lightly.

Nobody forced me to do anything, but it's getting painfully obvious as time passes with these two companies and this market that being an enthusiast is a foolish idea.
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I highly doubt GT ever bought any AMD cards and if he did I guarantee it was just so he could get on every tech forum on the net and claim how terrible they were and that he had to return them... tongue.gif
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Being charged ridiculous prices in the first place and then seeing new stuff released every 3-6 months thus destroying the value of your investment isn't something a lot of people take lightly.

Nobody forced me to do anything, but it's getting painfully obvious as time passes with these two companies and this market that being an enthusiast is a foolish idea.

To be fair though that is the same with any market. Being an enthusiast of anything is going to set you back in the $$$ department...
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