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I agree but of course if yields aren't as good this time or if the performance of Maxwell isn't as impressive as Kepler's was they may be forced to release a large-die flagship like they did with Fermi. Judging by the 750Ti I absolutely don't see that happening though.
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Seems like just yesterday that the 8000 series was released. Time does fly, doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by Mand12 View Post

Are people just not reading the OP?

We know, but trusting a company 100% is pointless. Might as well speculate about different scenarios as well.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

It just doesn't make any sense for Nvidia to rush high end Maxwell out now when they are already ahead of AMD with the 780Ti. Skup's right, the next big announcement from Nvidia will be the 790 and we will see a small-die Maxwell GTX 880 late this year. That's my prediction anyway...

With many sites saying that 20nm is already being mass produced I'd say "late this year" is pretty pessimistic. My personal guess would be Q3, possibly early Q3. With the big guns arriving (at least as teslas) in Q4.

Also extremetech in their recent article said that AMD has yet to tape out any next gen designs. I wonder if there's any truth to that claim.
 
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Never mind....probably a matrix 290x.
They just posted on facebook and whatever it is, it's air cooled. Bleh.
 
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I agree but of course if yields aren't as good this time or if the performance of Maxwell isn't as impressive as Kepler's was they may be forced to release a large-die flagship like they did with Fermi. Judging by the 750Ti I absolutely don't see that happening though.

Say what now? The 750ti is a 60W TDP card designed primarily for mobile - indeed GM107 is now appearing in various ultrabooks. If that performance is scaled with CUDA cores for a 250W TDP part, it will be beastly regardless of 28nm or 20nm. As far as what happens, I have no idea. Keep in mind, though, that efficiency of low end parts (which is what Maxwell and kepler were designed for first and foremost) has a direct effect on the scaling of high end parts. I don't know if Maxwell will be feasible for 28nm, but if it remains 28nm it will still far outperform GK110. The only question is whether 28nm has the required transistor density for a big die Maxwell. That I don't know. It could require 20nm.

The GK107 was the first kepler chip to debut and it appeared in ultrabooks well before GK104 hit the streets. That part was of a higher TDP and performed WAY LOWER than the GM107, and if you extrapolate how well GK110 performs based on GK107, and then extrapolate a 60W TDP GM107 scaled with more CUDA cores for a 250-300W TDP GPU.....the Maxwell will obviously perform way better once scaled upwards. GM107 is double the performance per watt of the GK107. That same trend should apply to high end maxwell GPUs - a 250W Maxwell would perform well above an outgoing kepler once Maxwell is scaled up with thousands of CUDA cores. Again, the GM107 is a 60W TDP part. The 60W TDP Kepler performs at *half* the speed of GM107.
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I wouldn't be so sure that we'll see a 300W Maxwell part any time soon. I'd much sooner expect a 150W part, performing ~20% better than the flagship Kepler one. Even assuming a 250-300W chip is feasible, NVIDIA have no reason to invest the time and energy to manufacture it (yet).
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I'm just getting it out there before people get their hopes up (probably already too late). It's what happens with every GPU launch. What you have to remember is that NVIDIA is going to do the bare minimum they have to to outpace AMD, and charge as much as they can get away with while they're at it (GTX 780 Black, anyone?).
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I wouldn't be so sure that we'll see a 300W Maxwell part any time soon. I'd much sooner expect a 150W part, performing ~20% better than the flagship Kepler one. Even assuming a 250-300W chip is feasible, NVIDIA have no reason to invest the time and energy to manufacture it (yet).

A 250W Maxwell scales to be 50% faster than a 780Ti
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