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Yeah, but we didn't get GK110 first did we? smile.gif

Right, that happened once in NV's history because GK110 was still being worked on. Every other family? Big die was released along with the rest. There's no reason to assume that a GK104 situation will happen again. It COULD happen, or maybe not, but you're simply arguing conjecture. The main point i'm making is that Maxwell as an architecture has double the performance per watt of Kepler even on 28nm - even if NV remained on 28nm lithography, the gains would be huge. If you look up and down the Kepler line of chips, they all scaled linearly with additional CUDA cores. Maxwell is designed similarly with the same scaling architecture. If GM107 is twice as fast as GK107 at the same TDP, that would also apply to the scaled up chips in the rest of the family. Now the big question in all of this is transistor density. Die size on 28nm will not be inconsequential, so because of that one could argue that the big die Maxwell would have to be 20nm. That's very possible, but we're not sure.

Anyway, i'm not saying either / or will happen. Either could happen - more than one hardware website has hinted at Maxwell GTX 800s coming perhaps sooner than we think, hardwarecanucks mentioned some vague hints along these lines as well. We simply do not know. And to be clear, you could be correct. It could be 20nm. Then again, maybe not. It could be GM204, or maybe not. We just don't know. I think it's interesting to speculate. But in any case: you're 100% incorrect that GM107 isn't impressive. The fact that it is double the performance/watt of GK107 is insane. GM107 basically performs *twice* as fast as GK107 at the same TDP, and it outperforms the R7-250 by even more than that (R7-250 is a 65W TDP). That means that Maxwell will perform ridiculously well once scaled up to 250-300W TDP, and yes, even on 28nm.

If it does remain 28nm, I don't believe release is anytime imminent. I'd say summer would be my guess. As skupples said, we usually get solid rumors 6-8 weeks out from release, this has happened consistently with most GPUs in the prior 2 years. So while some sites have speculated a March April release for bigger Maxwell chips, i'd say probably...no.
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It really depends, if he plans to play games that actually use multithreading, than the 3770k/4770k is a fine upgrade. They will also use a good bit less power. They are faster, but not by much.

IE: all the next gen engines will properly use multithreading. If you would like an example of what this can look like, look up crysis 3 benchmarks with and without multithreading enabled.

New frostbite, ue4, & and crygen3.5.8 and beyond will all be heavily used for true "next gen" titles. Hell, EVEN Ubisoft has built them selves a fully threaded engine, just not sure when we are going to see it in action.

Next gen engines, Direct X 12 will have better utilization, really everything in the industry is going towards "More cores!!!".
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More than anything, I was taking a shot at Intel and their sub-par upgrades since the 2500K launched. wink.gif

Yea, the 2500K has been amazing, and speaks so well to what Sandy did for gamers and computers. My decision to upgrade won't be driven by Intel, and their "performance" increases, but by the industry and their decision to start utilizing as many cores as possible.
    
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Next gen engines, Direct X 12 will have better utilization, really everything in the industry is going towards "More cores!!!".
Yea, the 2500K has been amazing, and speaks so well to what Sandy did for gamers and computers. My decision to upgrade won't be driven by Intel, and their "performance" increases, but by the industry and their decision to start utilizing as many cores as possible.

And that's exactly why an 8 core Haswell will be the next best upgrade for a while, maybe not a decade I was obviously exaggerating. wink.gif

I upgrade different than most, I look forward to going from a 930 to a 5930K. Double the cores, and greatly improved IPC.

I'm not sure how much you'll gain in gaming going from 2500K --> 3770K. The 2500K at 4.6 is pretty bestly isn't it?
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I'm well aware the 750/750ti is on the market. We are talking about higher end Maxwell cards.

Which this very post says is second half 2014, and not March.
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Agreed. I think it's going to be at least Q3 before we see any high end Maxwell cards unfortunately.

Thinking isn't required, they came right out and said it...
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Thinking is always required with Nvidia, they change things @ on a whim.
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And that's exactly why an 8 core Haswell will be the next best upgrade for a while, maybe not a decade I was obviously exaggerating. wink.gif

I upgrade different than most, I look forward to going from a 930 to a 5930K. Double the cores, and greatly improved IPC.

I'm not sure how much you'll gain in gaming going from 2500K --> 3770K. The 2500K at 4.6 is pretty bestly isn't it?

Yea, it is still rather beasty, part of the reason I have held on to it and have been reluctant to upgrade. I considered going with something along the lines of Haswell-E and their 6 core, as the 8 core I am sure will be $1,000. However, that would require a new board as well as the cost of the CPU....

If I sold my 2500K for $120 or whatever I got for it, and then bought a 3770K for $280 or so, then the cost to upgrade is pretty minimal. It will also put me in a situation of taking advantage of heavily threaded games.
    
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Right, that happened once in NV's history because GK110 was still being worked on. Every other family? Big die was released along with the rest. There's no reason to assume that a GK104 situation will happen again. It COULD happen, or maybe not, but you're simply arguing conjecture.
True, but I think the record-setting financial success of Nvidia's 600/700 series, coupled with the fact that Pirate Islands doesn't appear to even be on the map at the moment, means we'll almost certainly see GM204 flagships launching later this year.

I'm sure Nvidia would love to maintain their profit margins, and the performance crown, so a small die flagship (that's still faster than the 780 Ti) makes a lot of sense. When AMD inevitably counters a few months down the line, they follow with their big dies.

I'd honestly be pretty surprised if Nvidia rolls out a GM200 in the first wave.
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True, but I think the record-setting financial success of Nvidia's 600/700 series, coupled with the fact that Pirate Islands doesn't appear to even be on the map at the moment, means we'll almost certainly see GM204 flagships launching later this year.

I'm sure Nvidia would love to maintain their profit margins, and the performance crown, so a small die flagship (that's still faster than the 780 Ti) makes a lot of sense. When AMD inevitably counters a few months down the line, they follow with their big dies.

I'd honestly be pretty surprised if Nvidia rolls out a GM200 in the first wave.

Of course it isn't on the map, it's a bloody Pirate Island! You don't write those things down, you only find out by gong to dark and damp taverns, getting drunk, and putting your face in the chest of a bar wench!
    
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Yea, it is still rather beasty, part of the reason I have held on to it and have been reluctant to upgrade. I considered going with something along the lines of Haswell-E and their 6 core, as the 8 core I am sure will be $1,000. However, that would require a new board as well as the cost of the CPU.

If i remember correctly the 6 core was 400$, the 8 core was 600$ and the 8 core extreme edition was 1000$, so you should be able to get an 8 core for less than a grand if i were you id wait it out a bit and see the performance gains, its not like that 2500K is gonna be obsolete anytime soon.
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Yea, it is still rather beasty, part of the reason I have held on to it and have been reluctant to upgrade. I considered going with something along the lines of Haswell-E and their 6 core, as the 8 core I am sure will be $1,000. However, that would require a new board as well as the cost of the CPU....

If I sold my 2500K for $120 or whatever I got for it, and then bought a 3770K for $280 or so, then the cost to upgrade is pretty minimal. It will also put me in a situation of taking advantage of heavily threaded games.

I'm pretty sure that they announced that the 5930k(which is 8 cores/16 threads) will be around $600. I'm sure the X version will be in the $1000 range
Edited by mrct888 - 3/9/14 at 6:47pm
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