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Yes the individual. There is nothing stating the company is responsible for enforcing that. How would you even enforce that? People create accounts with different usernames so I am not sure if enforcing something like that is even possible.
Are we to believe you have read the entire FTC document?

Enforcement wouldn't be terribly complicated.

A.) You require the shill to use the same name across all forums.(already seems to be the case for most of the known people)
B.) You require the shill to provide account name, and all associated forums.
C.) You require the shill to include the "I am an employee of AMD, the views and opinions expressed by the host are not a reflection of Advanced Micro Dynamics"
D.) You actively police the structure with an algorithm, or employees.

Yes yes i know. So hard, much work! Not worth it! that.is.the.point.
They have 1000 accounts. Only half of those accounts have avatars, and only 87 people have over 5,000 points. Some sort of structure must already exist between the Shill & AMD. How else would AMD know to pay them out? I'm going to assume AMD is only paying out maybe 10% of the people on that list AT most, and that only a select few are actually getting free flagship products. We have all seen the power of opinion on these boards. Some one new comes in, they ask what they should get, some one like me with 10,000 posts and 3+ flames gives them an answer, and a week later they are posting their new quad-fire 290X setup.

anyways. We have beat this to death pretty hard. We should have branched it off into its own thread.

I would have jumped on this program years ago if it were for Nvidia. applaud.gif
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Are we to believe you have read the entire FTC document?

Enforcement wouldn't be terribly complicated.

A.) You require the shill to use the same name across all forums.(already seems to be the case for most of the known people)
B.) You require the shill to provide account name, and all associated forums.
C.) You require the shill to include the "I am an employee of AMD, the views and opinions expressed by the host are not a reflection of Advanced Micro Dynamics"
D.) You actively police the structure with an algorithm, or employees.

Yes yes i know. So hard, much work! Not worth it! that.is.the.point.
They have 1000 accounts. Only half of those accounts have avatars, and only 87 people have over 5,000 points. Some sort of structure must already exist between the Shill & AMD. How else would AMD know to pay them out? I'm going to assume AMD is only paying out maybe 10% of the people on that list AT most, and that only a select few are actually getting free flagship products. We have all seen the power of opinion on these boards. Some one new comes in, they ask what they should get, some one like me with 10,000 posts and 3+ flames gives them an answer, and a week later they are posting their new quad-fire 290X setup.

anyways. We have beat this to death pretty hard. We should have branched it off into its own thread.

I would have jumped on this program years ago if it were for Nvidia. applaud.gif

Enforcing that is impossible. So please. ..
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Are we to believe you have read the entire FTC document?

Enforcement wouldn't be terribly complicated.

A.) You require the shill to use the same name across all forums.(already seems to be the case for most of the known people)
B.) You require the shill to provide account name, and all associated forums.
C.) You require the shill to include the "I am an employee of AMD, the views and opinions expressed by the host are not a reflection of Advanced Micro Dynamics"
D.) You actively police the structure with an algorithm, or employees.

Yes yes i know. So hard, much work! Not worth it! that.is.the.point.
They have 1000 accounts. Only half of those accounts have avatars, and only 87 people have over 5,000 points. Some sort of structure must already exist between the Shill & AMD. How else would AMD know to pay them out? I'm going to assume AMD is only paying out maybe 10% of the people on that list AT most, and that only a select few are actually getting free flagship products. We have all seen the power of opinion on these boards. Some one new comes in, they ask what they should get, some one like me with 10,000 posts and 3+ flames gives them an answer, and a week later they are posting their new quad-fire 290X setup.

anyways. We have beat this to death pretty hard. We should have branched it off into its own thread.

I would have jumped on this program years ago if it were for Nvidia. applaud.gif

Enforcement would be a good idea only if applied equitably to both Nvidia and AMD, and not just one or the other.
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Advanced Micro Devices not Advanced Micro Dynamics... why are you guys polluting the GTX 800 series thread with this garbage is beyond me
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Guys, stay on topic, I don't want to start deleting posts. If you want to continue the conversation or make a request make a thread about it in the proper section.

Have a nice weekend. thumb.gif

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This whole period/2012-2014 is dominated by a simple factor. Transistor shrinking stagnation. TSMC fails to compete with Intel (along with GloF) keeping AMD a pale shadow of Intel in CPUs. In GPUs here NV and AMD are lagging in general and AMD's CPU financial stagnation doesn't help either since it keeps NVIDIA to roam free with ludicrous products like "the refresh of the refresh of a two year old product".

On top of the technological/scientific stagnation, the global crisis of 2010-2012 is still reflected now since 2-4 years is precisely the time it takes from inception to market.

I hope 2014-2015 will bring a renewal, if not in the scientific factor, at least in the financial part. I still find an early-2011 Intel adequate ffs.
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I think that looking forward, it's pretty logical that Nvidia would release the larger versions of Maxwell. It's logical. It's not a new process and from what we have seen so far, the architecture seems to be pretty solid. They just gotta scale it up to the bigger die.
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This whole period/2012-2014 is dominated by a simple factor. Transistor shrinking stagnation. TSMC fails to compete with Intel (along with GloF) keeping AMD a pale shadow of Intel in CPUs. In GPUs here NV and AMD are lagging in general and AMD's CPU financial stagnation doesn't help either since it keeps NVIDIA to roam free with ludicrous products like "the refresh of the refresh of a two year old product".

On top of the technological/scientific stagnation, the global crisis of 2010-2012 is still reflected now since 2-4 years is precisely the time it takes from inception to market.

I hope 2014-2015 will bring a renewal, if not in the scientific factor, at least in the financial part. I still find an early-2011 Intel adequate ffs.

We're probably reaching a point where die shrinks are going to start having rapidly diminishing returns ... just like 22 nm for Intel. I suspect that in the future, the rate of progress between generations is going to being to level off and we're not going to see as dramatic gains as say, Maxwell seems to be delivering. TSMC seems to be struggling with its 20nm process and that will affect both GPU makers.

The other issue is that in a recession, one of the first things that companies cut is often R&D. Not sure if that's the case here, but it could be. Compounding it is the fact that the PC market is shrinking.

As far as CPUs, a Sandy Bridge is more than adequate. A 4.6 to 5 GHz Sandy Bridge will keep up with a 4.2 to 4.6 GHz Haswell in most meaningful benchmarks (a few like AES encryption not withstanding). The real question is, looking forward, is GPU progress going to look more and more like what CPUs are?

If not, as I hinted, there's a chance that the rate of performance increase per GPU generation could begin to diminish. The issue here is the architecture - without a new process, Nvidia has only the improvements in the architecture to work with, not 20nm and Maxwell.

At this point, there's nothing to do but wait and see. Half a year is not an unreasonable amount of time to scale up an architecture for a larger die - witness the gap between the GTX 680 and the Titan. We should whatever else see some substantial performance increases with Maxwell. Let's just hope AMD can keep up. For the consumer at this point, what's needed is when both sides are about as fast and have roughly the same performance to power consumption ratio as each other.


Edit:
Kind of OT, but if someone wants to know more about the AMD Advocacy Program, see here:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/would-you-like-to-be-considered-for-the-amd-advocacy-program-free-hw-available/

and this is for their mobile units (from their official site):
http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-business/blog/2013/06/04/experience-the-amd-test-drive-program
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With witcher 3 delayed until 2015 if they do the little maxwell/big maxwell again I think I will sit tight with titans and wait. There really is nothing I'm that interested in coming this year that sli titans can't pretty much crush on single screen.

I wonder if NV/AMD do a kind of deep sigh when games they know will be graphically intensive get big delays. Like "damnit that would have sold a lot of cards for us this year."
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Die shrinks alone do not increase performance, it is the ability to cram in more cores. I definitely think the performance will being to stagnate, i think this is why Nvidia is holding off on running Denver until Volta (speculation states that is when it will appear @ least)


GPU intensive games definitely move new product. Hell, even arma 3 caused a massive spike in hardware sales.

While the CPU market is shrinking, the PC gaming market is growing. So it's kind of a catch 22.

Until then...

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I love how there isn't an iota of verifiable information on the 800 series GPUs and the thread is already 65 pages long. rolleyes.gif

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