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Hi folks, my apologies for the lack of posts. Life is kicking my butt. Here are some recent pickups:




I must say, I think Biomotor Unitron is my favorite handheld title so far. It's basically Pokémon but for grown-ups (don't get me wrong, I loved Pokémon Blue).

As far as the Genesis, I'd been after the Splatterhouse series and specifically 3, I was able to finally get it! It's only missing the manual.

The best part is that I didn't pay a cent for any of it, each of these were a trade for repairing a bunch of PS2s.

If any of you live in the D.C. area, or south Pennsylvania, you need to take a trip to Play Raven in Frederick, Maryland. The guys are awesome and the pricing is lower than retail.
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Yay! You got Xenogears!

I hope you can find the time to play it considering you have Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, FFII, FFIII for SNES to play...

My top list of favorite RPGs would look something like this:

1. FFIV (aka FFII here, you have this)
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Xenogears
4. FFVI (aka FFIII)

This is just my personal list, I really love FFIV, considering it was my first RPG and probably the one I've played more than any other to this day, finishing it (probably) over 50 times. The last time I played it I got to the final save point with all the uber gear from the final dungeon with under 10 hrs. on the in game clock. However, I would still say that FFVI (aka III) is the best Final Fantasy game ever made, and probably one of the best JRPGs ever made, right up there with Chrono Trigger. By extension, two of the best games ever made, period. I just have a soft spot for FFIV...

Xenogears has the best story in any RPG, or game, I've ever played, hands down. And I've played thousands of games and hundreds, if not thousands of JRPGs, finishing hundreds.

The story was by Tetsuya Takahashi and Soraya Saga (Kaori Tanaka), his wife.. Takahashi was a graphic and map designer on FFIV-FFVI, he was also the graphics director overseeing all the graphics in the game for Chrono Trigger. Soraya Saga was a scenario writer for many Square games, but most notably, FFVI where she created the characters and story of Edgar and Sabin. That is to say, she created Edgar and Sabin. They came up with the story for Xenogears in their free time and presented it to Square as a scenario for FFVII, but it was rejected as being too dark. However, they were green lit to develop it as a different game, and thus came Xenogears. They were reading a lot of Freud, Nietzsche, Jung, etc. when they wrote the game...

I hope you enjoy it when you play it, it's one of my favorite games of all time... there hasn't really been anything like it before or since. Sure, they went on to make Xenosaga but those games suck (imo) and are really totally different from Gears, even if they share story elements. And the Xenoblade series, while amazing, is totally different in gameplay AND story.
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Yup, I've been jumping between Xenogears and Biomotor Unitron when I can't be sitting in front of a TV.

So far, Xenogears has my attention. The characters are quite interesting, the battle system is perfect this age and style of game. I'm thoroughly loving it!

@neurotix your list of RPGs are pretty close to mine. I'll have to think it out.
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It's really a great game with fantastic gameplay and story. How far are you? It would be wise to use a FAQ as you go along, the game has a lot of missable items that are necessary if you want to have an uber party at the end of the game. (Power Crisis in Shevat, Trader Card).

Without spoiling anything, just be aware that the 2nd disc is nothing like the first. Lots and lots of talking/reading (like half hour+) followed by a short dungeon, repeat. Though at the end of the disc they give you free roam again, but you can't revisit most locations. This is because the game went over budget and over deadline, so they had to fit the whole story in essentially without letting you play it by going from place to place.

Yasunori Mitsuda did an amazing job on the soundtrack... Can't decide which is better, this or Chrono Cross. Chrono Trigger is still his best work though (ironic that it was the first game he composed for..)

A small tip would be, near the end of disc 1 you can powerlevel and get to level 99 if you want. Last time I played I only got Fei to level 80 to get Kokei/Yamikei and Kishin. This might be the best place in the game to level up, maybe even more so than the final dungeon. It is in the 3rd Solaris generator dungeon, the underwater one, which is just a series of underwater tunnels with a boss at the end. (You just keep going through underwater tunnels away from the camera.) Basically just fight the enemies in your gears here, they give a lot of EXP, and then go heal at the repair bot at the end of one of the tunnels to restore fuel.

If I were to choose my top 10 RPGs of all time it would probably be..

1. FFIV
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Xenogears
4. FFVI
5. Phantasy Star IV
6. FF (NES)
7. Xenoblade Chronicles X (Wii U)
8. Dragon Quest IX (DS)
9. Rogue Galaxy (PS2)
10. Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii)

Honorable mentions would be FFVII, FFIX, FFV, Soma Bringer (DS), any translated Square Super Famicom games (Bahamut Lagoon, Front Mission, Live a Live, Treasure Hunter G etc.), Phantasy Star Online (the original), Both original Shining Force games, Disgaea (original), Tactics Ogre, Tales of Vesperia, and quite a few more PS2 and DS games, to keep the list short. Sorry there's no inclusion of Western RPGs, I basically can't stand stuff like Baldur's Gate, Diablo etc. I think they've aged terribly, they're too slow paced and quite boring. I think the only ones I really liked enough to finish were the Dragon Age games. Just not really my style or aesthetic and I find the gameplay of most of them incredibly boring.
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I'm really starting to dig Xenogears. The story takes. Bit to get going but once it starts to unravel the game really comes alive! And yeah, that battle system is just awesome.thumb.gif
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Honorable mentions would be FFVII, FFIX, FFV, Soma Bringer (DS), any translated Square Super Famicom games (Bahamut Lagoon, Front Mission, Live a Live, Treasure Hunter G etc.), Phantasy Star Online (the original), Both original Shining Force games, Disgaea (original), Tactics Ogre, Tales of Vesperia, and quite a few more PS2 and DS games, to keep the list short. Sorry there's no inclusion of Western RPGs, I basically can't stand stuff like Baldur's Gate, Diablo etc. I think they've aged terribly, they're too slow paced and quite boring. I think the only ones I really liked enough to finish were the Dragon Age games. Just not really my style or aesthetic and I find the gameplay of most of them incredibly boring.

I haven't played that many RPGs in general. But I in some what defense of western RPGs I did manage to make it through Planescape: Torment. And for the record and I really, really loved the story. I also made it through the first Fallout and really liked it. Truthfully I'm not sure I would consider the Diablo series an RPG. It's more of a graphical version of Rogue or Net hack - closer to an arcade thing, like Gauntlet. And about as much story as Gauntlet.

I did once play Final Fantasy I ... on the PSP. Couldn't get through it without a walkthrough though. I noticed you didn't mention Dragon Warrior. I don't actually know anything about the series outside of popularity in Japan. Do you have any opinion on it?
 
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I haven't played that many RPGs in general. But I in some what defense of western RPGs I did manage to make it through Planescape: Torment. And for the record and I really, really loved the story. I also made it through the first Fallout and really liked it. Truthfully I'm not sure I would consider the Diablo series an RPG. It's more of a graphical version of Rogue or Net hack - closer to an arcade thing, like Gauntlet. And about as much story as Gauntlet.

I did once play Final Fantasy I ... on the PSP. Couldn't get through it without a walkthrough though. I noticed you didn't mention Dragon Warrior. I don't actually know anything about the series outside of popularity in Japan. Do you have any opinion on it?

Diablo II was actually okay, at least I recognize how groundbreaking it was at the time, and how it spawned a whole genre. Going back and trying to play it now, though, I thought it was perhaps a bit archaic compared to modern takes on the genre (Torchlight). You're right, the games are more like Nethack. They're pretty much the direct inspiration for Phantasy Star Online and all it's sequels, and I love those, so yeah. You are not the first person to recommend Planescape: Torment to me, boredgunner did as well. I will have to check it out now, but when I'll get to it, I have no idea. Gauntlet is cool, I liked Gauntlet Legends or whatever that was in arcades and on DC and N64. Gauntlet IV on Genesis is good too, and has music by Yuzo Koshiro (Streets of Rage).

I've been playing the first Final Fantasy since... probably 1991. The PSP remake is excellent, but has greatly reduced difficulty compared to the original NES title. I can see how someone would need a walkthrough if you've never played it. The game doesn't ever really spell out what you need to do (go here and get this, etc.) The original FF is more of a dungeon crawler, light on story, heavy on gameplay- leveling up, going through dungeons, finding new gear. Don't think that that is what all FF games are like, because later ones are MUCH more focused on story, pretty much from FFVII on you'll have a LOT of story scenes, reading (or voice acting) and so on. The 8 and 16-bit games balanced the story with gameplay pretty well, but the later ones (especially all the recent ones) force you to watch like hours and hours of dialogue. That can be a good thing when the story is actually good (like in Xenogears...) But when it's FFXIII-3 Lightning Returns...not so much. biggrin.gif

I did mention Dragon Warrior! I said Dragon Quest IX for number 8 in my top ten list. But if you don't play many RPGs, especially not Japanese ones, you wouldn't know that Dragon Warrior IS Dragon Quest. Back when they first released Dragon Quest here, some company already had a tabletop RPG game called DragonQuest and so the name was changed to Dragon Warrior to avoid lawsuits. Nowadays that company is defunct and nobody cares anymore (and perhaps Square-Enix bought the rights to the name) so the games are released as Dragon Quest here.

As far as my thoughts on Dragon Quest, I have Dragon Warrior (NES) which is Dragon Quest 1. This game is archaic, I did get really far at one point but man, what a brutal game (GRIND GRIND GRIND! That is, kill hundreds of the same monster to get gold to purchase better equipment and to level up). I have Dragon Quest 3 for GBC, and I've played the Super Nintendo port of it, I never got very far but it's supposed to be one of the best in the series. This is on my list to play. And Dragon Quest IX/9 is one of the best games I've ever played. Probably one of the best, if not the best, JRPG of the last 15 years or so. It has a main campaign of around 50 hours but once you finish that, the game basically never ends unless you want it to. I played for probably 200 hours and stopped.

Final Fantasy is more popular than Dragon Quest here, by far. The last Dragon Quest game was online and they simply didn't release it here at all. The reason for this, I think, is that 1) Dragon Quest is turn based. 2) Dragon Quest is grind-heavy. 3) Dragon Quest is generally light on story. They are truly old school. They rely on gameplay that is unpopular here now and reviewed badly. However, the series is immensely popular in Japan, even now, and afaik still outsells Final Fantasy and is more popular. It is even considered Japan's national video game.

Personally, the reason I don't talk much about DQ and tend to prefer the older Square games is simply that that's what I grew up with. And as mentioned, Dragon Quest may even be too heavy handed and grind heavy even for me.

And sorry for all the constant RPG talk. If you ever want to talk about other genres just bring them up because I play almost everything.
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Oh, sorry I missed it was on the list

I remember reading (20 years ago) that in Japan which ever system Dragon Quest is released on is the "dominant" system of that generation. Also that at the time Enix was asked to release the game on weekends because if it was released on week days so many people took the day off to play it the stock market went down. Now that's a popular game.

I also read ~10 years ago DragonQuest was released on a handheld...I think it was DS...instead of a console (PS3, I think). Probably explains why so many NDS were sold in Japan.

Anyway I was just curious about that. And I still recommend Planescape because I ended up really loving the story and the ending. If you played that many RPGs maybe you won't be that impressed. But I really loved it.
 
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Oh, sorry I missed it was on the list

I remember reading (20 years ago) that in Japan which ever system Dragon Quest is released on is the "dominant" system of that generation. Also that at the time Enix was asked to release the game on weekends because if it was released on week days so many people took the day off to play it the stock market went down. Now that's a popular game.

I also read ~10 years ago DragonQuest was released on a handheld...I think it was DS...instead of a console (PS3, I think). Probably explains why so many NDS were sold in Japan.

Anyway I was just curious about that. And I still recommend Planescape because I ended up really loving the story and the ending. If you played that many RPGs maybe you won't be that impressed. But I really loved it.

First four Dragon Quest were on Famicom (NES, you probably know this), and of course it stomped the competition with like 90% market share everywhere but Europe, where the Master System did extremely well, because the NES had limited availability due to licensing and other issues. So, in Japan, the Famicom was far more popular. This wasn't just due to Dragon Quest but also, the first three Final Fantasy games were on Famicom, two of which we didn't get back then. (Final Fantasy was released in 1987 in Japan but we didn't see it in America until 1990.)

On top of that, the Super Famicom had Dragon Quest 5 and 6, as well as a remake of 3. Prior to this though, there was a gap, because the SNES (SuFami) didn't come out til late 1990 there. So, from around 1987 until 1990 the PC Engine (aka Turbografx) was quite popular in Japan. In particular, the Turbografx-CD or as it's known there, the PC Engine Super CD-ROM2. Of course, this thing was quite expensive for the time, and was the first CD based home console. However, it had many, many anime-themed games, or even games based directly on an anime, as well as RPGs like the Far East of Eden series. But once the Super Famicom came out, it was over. (especially since it was much cheaper).

There was only one Dragon Quest game on Playstation and it was Dragon Quest 7. There may have been remakes of earlier games but the only new one was 7. This one is considered by some to be the worst of the series. Having played it briefly quite a while ago, I can see why. It had vastly inferior graphics compared to Square games of the time. It also had a long development cycle and was delayed. After this game having such a poor reception, another DQ game didn't come out for quite a few years, not until DQ8 on the PS2. And DQ7 was considered so bad that to bring the spark back to the series, they actually contracted Level-5 to develop the next game. So DQ8 was actually developed by Level-5 instead of Enix because DQ7 was considered so bad. (Level-5 is known for the Dark Cloud series originally, but later, Rogue Galaxy, Valhalla Knights and many other games.) As a result, DQ8 was pretty fantastic. During this big period in between games, Square really dominated, even in Japan, and if you know anything about Squaresoft and the Playstation it was basically their Silver Age. (The golden age obviously being Super Famicom era with stuff like Chrono Trigger etc.)

The Dragon Quest for DS you're talking about is Dragon Quest IX (9), the one I mentioned playing for 200 hours... it was also co-developed by Level-5 and personally, it's the only Dragon Quest game I finished. It's fantastic and even if you don't like RPGs much, if you have a DS, pick it up if you find it.

The stuff about the games having to be released on weekends so kids don't skip school, and the stock market tanking, is all an urban myth from what I've heard. The most recent Dragon Quest X was released on a Thursday.. If you do some research into this, you'll probably find out the same thing, that it's basically just a rumor. Sorry =/

I've played a lot of RPGs but I've played mostly JRPGs and quite few Western RPGs, let alone older ones. I've played classics like Wizardry, The Bard's Tale, Ultima and such but not really late 90s stuff like Baldur's Gate, etc. I do think of Planescape occasionally and will probably try it eventually. But I could never stick out stuff like Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights. So we'll see.
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Hey guys, got some pics of my latest pickups, Strider/Time Crisis/Ty the Tasmanian Tiger 2 you guys already know about, but I got a bunch more Genesis games over the past while as well.






Also, going to be painting my game shelves and console unit tomorrow and reorganizing everything...should be loads of fun rolleyes.gif Think I might paint them white instead of black like I had originally planned, though I still haven't really decided.
     
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