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Streets of Rage 2: my favorite beat-em-up ever. I've played at least a hundred others.

If you have a manual, take a look at it and all the different moves the characters have. Each character has 3 unique special moves (f,f, B. Neutral A. And f+A). On top of that, two different jump kicks. Different grabs and throws depending on what side you grapple the enemy from. Ability to use chain moves (e.g. mash B) out of chain by holding and releasing B. On top of that, absolutely huge and detailed character and enemy sprites for the time. Absolutely fantastic, legendary, classic soundtrack by Yuzo Koshiro (sorry but this one is inarguable.) Unique bosses with unique patterns and a ton of personality, they even have fighting styles similar to real martial arts. They aren't just cheap health tank counter bots that do half a life bar in one hit like Final Fight. All in a game from 1992. If you look at the other beat em ups on home consoles from that era, none of them have as many features, as good a soundtrack or as good of graphics. Final Fight 1 and 2 on SNES were both basically terrible and totally inferior to the CPS original. Also, your characters have like 1/3rd the available moves in both. You also have to compare SOR2 to the original, and there's no question it improved the graphics and gameplay tremendously.

Sure, there's games that came after it that were even crazier but those were mostly in the arcade (stuff like Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, The Punisher, D&D Shadow of Mystara, Aliens vs Predator etc.)

In the 32-bit era, everyone wanted 3D/polygonal graphics, so beat em ups fell out of fashion because they didn't translate well to 3D graphics. This makes SOR2, SOR3 and Final Fight 3 some of the last beat em ups released on home consoles. They are a product of a bygone era and a genre that's pretty much dead now. SOR2 was one of the best.

Also, if you are only playing the game single player, you are doing yourself and the game a huge disservice. It is meant to be played with 2 people, just like 2D fighting games. It is much more fun that way.
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Streets of Rage 2: my favorite beat-em-up ever. I've played at least a hundred others.

If you have a manual, take a look at it and all the different moves the characters have. Each character has 3 unique special moves (f,f, B. Neutral A. And f+A). On top of that, two different jump kicks. Different grabs and throws depending on what side you grapple the enemy from. Ability to use chain moves (e.g. mash B) out of chain by holding and releasing B. On top of that, absolutely huge and detailed character and enemy sprites for the time. Absolutely fantastic, legendary, classic soundtrack by Yuzo Koshiro (sorry but this one is inarguable.) Unique bosses with unique patterns and a ton of personality, they even have fighting styles similar to real martial arts. They aren't just cheap health tank counter bots that do half a life bar in one hit like Final Fight. All in a game from 1992. If you look at the other beat em ups on home consoles from that era, none of them have as many features, as good a soundtrack or as good of graphics. Final Fight 1 and 2 on SNES were both basically terrible and totally inferior to the CPS original. Also, your characters have like 1/3rd the available moves in both. You also have to compare SOR2 to the original, and there's no question it improved the graphics and gameplay tremendously.

Sure, there's games that came after it that were even crazier but those were mostly in the arcade (stuff like Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, The Punisher, D&D Shadow of Mystara, Aliens vs Predator etc.)

In the 32-bit era, everyone wanted 3D/polygonal graphics, so beat em ups fell out of fashion because they didn't translate well to 3D graphics. This makes SOR2, SOR3 and Final Fight 3 some of the last beat em ups released on home consoles. They are a product of a bygone era and a genre that's pretty much dead now. SOR2 was one of the best.

Also, if you are only playing the game single player, you are doing yourself and the game a huge disservice. It is meant to be played with 2 people, just like 2D fighting games. It is much more fun that way.

Because the added team grpples jumps and moves.. they were very well developed games
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There's basically so much more you can do in SOR2 that you can't do in Final Fight. (At least not until Final Fight 3).

Final Fight had one attack chain, one special move (Attack + Jump together), one jump kick and one throw. (Except Haggar- he gets a grapple punch, a suplex and a piledriver.)

Also, Final Fight on SNES was 1 player only and didn't even have all the characters.

I think SOR2 was really the first beat-em-up to have so many options per character. smile.gif

Let's not forget it was on the Genesis/MD either, which is basically 1988 tech derived from 1985 arcade boards (Sega System 16) that ran stuff like Shinobi and Golden Axe. So SOR2 did everything it did on basically 1985 level hardware in 1992.
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That's really cool and absolutely insane.

Anyone who's ever taken apart a NES would know that would take a tremendous amount of modding, to remove the card edge connector from the mechanism on the bottom of the machine and mount it in the top half behind the LCD screen. Seriously, the entire NES would have to be gutted and you'd need to make some custom modifications to the motherboard.

Mr357 (and everyone else) I got my thread edit rights back. Mr357 your list has been updated. All is good. thumb.gif

Could be the modder used a "Nintendo-on-a-Chip" (or NOAC) and put it into an original NES shell. Those NOAC devices can be pretty small, as demonstrated from this pic:

The entire NES fits on to the NES cartridge. Like that. Ben Heck is kind of amazing.

A pic I got from from a little mod called the NesTari, a combo 2600/NES portable device thumb.gif

http://www.benheck.com/the-nestari/

It's actually an interesting page. If you're into that sort of thing. I was doing some searching on doing the "cartridge mod" on the Atari Flashback 2 which I happen to own. I want to combine it with my RetroDuo. Make it a...Trio... Probably need an entire new case. With different controller ports. Sorry, tangent.
 
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I need to get a soldering kit and learn how to solder so bad.

I think my ultimate goal would be a Sega Neptune. thumb.gif
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yep you can make those atari into an original atari 2600. but no you can see the ribbon cable i htink he just moved the 72 pin or 74 pin connector ( w.e. )

the newer 72 pin connectors you dont need to push the games down for them to work
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I need to get a soldering kit and learn how to solder so bad.

I think my ultimate goal would be a Sega Neptune. thumb.gif

It's really not as hard as you think. I used to think the same thing, then I got a cheap soldering iron and it's pretty dang easy, as long as you aren't trying to do surface mount stuff. I use a $15 iron and have no complaints, I would just get one and use some junk electronics to practice on.
post #338 of 2059
surface mount stuff is really really easy

unfortunately the mods are really close minded, and deleted a post by JVG that had a link to awesome instructions, but they deleted it as he is no longer an artisian, i asked them to move it but they dont listen, big surprise, look at the crappy website "improvements" ( totally sarcastic !! imo the are all failures )

they are so so easy it is sad, i got a great soldering iron station for like 80-100, best investment ever, i couldnt solder before now it is so easy, that and good leaded solder and flux
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surface mount stuff is really really easy

unfortunately the mods are really close minded, and deleted a post by JVG that had a link to awesome instructions, but they deleted it as he is no longer an artisian, i asked them to move it but they dont listen, big surprise, look at the crappy website "improvements" ( totally sarcastic !! imo the are all failures )

they are so so easy it is sad, i got a great soldering iron station for like 80-100, best investment ever, i couldnt solder before now it is so easy, that and good leaded solder and flux

I've been watching some SMD stuff, and it doesn't look too bad to be honest, but I haven't tried anything yet with my cheap iron. I do plan to get into some surface mount stuff too though, when needed. Just haven't yet. Nice to know it isn't that bad though. From what I understand, you don't really have to worry about bridges so much, you can just pull the extra solder away from the pins or whatever with your iron. I just always suspected it would never go as nicely as when you watch someone else do it lol I watch a lot of EEVblog though, and stuff like Ben Heck, so I was pretty confident I could handle it, just didn't want to recommend someone else give it a go without having any first hand experience myself. Also been watching some BGA stuff, would be neat to get a little reflow station setup one day too...
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@ Mega... yeah not very happy with the mods either and the site changes but I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

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