Originally Posted by subassy
The first with limited motion controls?
Obviously you've never seen a little move called...The Wizard
Powerglove. I'm referring to the powerglove. Also u-force. I don't know anything about Samba de Amigo Maracas
though, no idea how it works.
Also I don't really understand the common tendency to go by which system is "powerful" as measure of value of a console. What could that possibly matter?? 3DO was more powerful that SNES, Gamegear/linx was "more powerful" than original Gameboy, XBox was "more powerful" that PS2, Wii was "less powerful" than Xbox and
360 (sold more). So it really, literally, is irrelevant what the hardware specs are, empirically, from observation.
Sorry for the rant. It's not really aimed at you, neurotix. It's just a developed pet peeve of mine I hear constantly on youtube etc. Like the hardware somehow matters on some level.
Also, what's the deal with GD-ROM anyway? It's like the betamax1
of optical media. More than CD, less than DVD e.g. even if Dreamcast had some modicum of success into 2005/2006 it may not have lasted much longer anyway because games would have to start coming on multiple discs (and no storage device like the 360 to compensate).1
In case anybody here is young: Betamax reportedly had superior video quality but could hold an hour of video (at least at initial release) while VHS could do two hours.
Powerglove, U-force and similar things might technically
count as motion controls, but they hardly worked at all. The Maracas were fairly good controllers from what I've heard, just watch a gameplay video of Samba de Amigo if you want to see what they were like (you basically shook them in different positions to match the positions of different circles on the screen- somewhat like DDR and timing the arrows flying up instead they don't fly upwards). I honestly didn't think of the Powerglove. And to be honest, what I read about it having motion controls first was from a certain article talking about the DC and the things that made it revolutionary, so that's not even really my quote. Personally, I really prefer/like it for all the high quality arcade ports of Naomi games, the Sega exclusives and the 2D fighters/Capcom games (Power Stone etc)
As far as the power factor, my only point is that I heard once from developers for both the DC and PS2 that the DC WAS in fact a little more powerful, and easier to program for (since it ran Windows CE in some form). They stated that if games had continued to be developed for the DC, that eventually the 3D games would have looked better than the same game on PS2. I really have no idea how true this is but it's anecdotal, and at least it has some reasoning behind it that makes sense (the Windows CE thing).
I saw the Sega Saturn thing too and it's really neat, considering people are concerned about the CD drives burning out eventually, making their Saturn useless. As well as the prices on them pretty much being guaranteed to go up and up. Don't believe the sensational reporting though, one article I found basically claimed that there was no way to run backups or code on it "without an expensive modchip"... afaik modchips were never that expensive, you can probably still find them now, although they require soldering. This discounts totally the (extremely easy) swap trick and the solder-free method of opening the Saturn up and modding it (taping the lid sensors down) to enable the swap trick.
I'm not concerned about "damaging my laser" nor am I concerned about the CD Drive burning out/dying eventually because realistically, I don't play Saturn games every day and 99% of the time the Saturn is unplugged and sitting on a shelf. It gets used for a day or two once every few months. I think at this rate it will be a long time before anything on it burns out, so I'm not worried. And if I have to buy a new one, I will (or maybe just buy that mod eventually when it's available) but I doubt I'll need to.
It's still really cool what he did and he's basically a genius for figuring this stuff out as people have been trying to do things like this with the Saturn for a LONG time.