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Games in the us for it sucked pretty bad too in comparison to jp releases.


Also going from memory the 32x was released and then either 3 weeks or 3 months later the Saturn was released. (Sega of America released the 32x and without notice sega released the Saturn) so many didn't know what to buy. Others were Mad they just bought a system and a new one came out

That's not quite how I remember it. As I remember it the PS1 and Saturn were both coming out "holiday 1995". So the Saturn was already announced, they made a big deal with it at the previous e3, so on and so forth. Sega just wanted to try and get a leg up over Sony by releasing in the Spring as a surprise. And in doing so kind of killed their relationship with a lot retailers. Between that burned bridge and the not-so-good games/limited number games (versus ps1) the Saturn was kind of cursed from the word go.

Some people call the 32x "Sega's virtualboy" which given the number games might be accurate. Just from observation I think it was wee bit more common than virtualboy. Sega was doing off the wall unpredictable stuff going back to the late 70s/early 80s so this should not be surprising (releasing the "powerbase converter" to play SMS on Genesis, an adapter to play SMS games on gamegear not to mention the multiple consoles in the 80s (only released in japan).

There's also a story about at the eventual PS1 launch sony didn't have enough jewel cases so they contacted sega and negotiated a price for them. And this is why a lot of those launch PS1 games come in those jumbo sized cases. They're re-banged badged (damn you, auto-correct) Saturn game cases.
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You are right. They announced it in 1995.

However the worry was jaguar most believe

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/14/sega-saturn-how-one-decision-destroyed-playstations-greatest-rival
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I think Mega Man is correct, actually.

The 32X came out very late 1994, the Saturn was slated for release "holiday 1995" as subassy said, but in reality the Saturn launch date was moved up to May 11th, 1995, just about 6 months after the 32X launch.

I think you guys are pretty much right on the reasons why the Saturn is more expensive. However, I don't think it's as rare as some other consoles (Vectrex?). Keep in mind, the Saturn had a 6 month lead on the Playstation and at the time was the only "next gen" 32-bit system on the market. This made it fairly popular (for those who could afford it). I recall an older kid who lived in my neighborhood and was old enough to work got the Saturn when it was new instead of waiting for the Playstation (I was 11...). I would think that it isn't that rare for this reason.

As far as whether the Saturn is worth owning, I would say definitively that it is. Not only does it have a large selection of Sega arcade ports (Daytona USA, Virtual On...) but it also has a quality 3rd party library as well, though smaller than the Playstation's. Games like Dragon Force and Albert Odyssey really make the system for me, since they aren't available for any other system. There's also stuff like Guardian Heroes, which until the X360 release was exclusive to Saturn (I think). If you like 2D shooters there's a decent selection but a lot of games are Japanese (no worries if you use Saturn Region Patcher and the swap trick). Galactic Attack, Soukyugurentai, Sengoku Blade are a few of these. smile.gif
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Here's a good video on the Saturn in general and what exactly happened with its launch.

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I like and have watched a lot of this guy's videos but sometimes he has some innaccuracies.

I was really into gaming enough in the early/mid-90s that I read a magazine called Next Generation (yes, I'm old). I can remember an article with somebody -- guy in charge of newly formed SCEA maybe? -- talking about how they were trying to escape the reputation of Sony Imagesoft. The creation of SCEA effectively ended the existence of imagesoft and the two shared few any personnel in common. In other words even though a thing might have a "Sony" in the name doesn't really mean they related to anything else. As far as I know SCEA and Imagesoft were never related to each other. Sony wasn't "releasing software on Nintendo to mess with them" or whatever (he kind of eluded to that above and has said as much in other videos). Sony is/was an extremely large company. The record company guys aren't talking to the DVD maker guys who aren't talking to the camcorder guys. They're all separate entities under the one brand.

I probably haven't explained this very well. Just a little pet peeve of mind that one else would ever notice/care about. But it annoys me for some reason.

A more modern example might be Apple using Samsung as source for some the parts in the iPhone. It's not the same Samsung that produces competing phones, it's the part of Samsung that mass produces chips and happens to have factories to economically produce a part Apple needs. The the two Samsung entities can exist separately.
 
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I've been going through a MAME rom set I downloaded for a while now. It's been kind of off-and-on but I've made a bunch of progress the past month or so. In fact I just passed what I think is a significant milestone: I have as many games left to curate as I have already curated. If that makes sense.

I actually started with...I don't know, maybe 15,000 files, not even games but files...
I used ROMCenter to try and identify them, so I could move the apparently garbage files along with various BIOS files into separate directories. Then also casino ones and seemingly random dependency files.

So I'm down to:
games done: 940
files left to check: 909

Might sound like I have a lot left. In comparison to where I started it's actually feels like an accomplishment to have only 909 files left to validate/sort.

Of course even when I'm done I'll be further auditing them. Separating the ones that won't run on an atom SoC from those that will. Or for that matter putting the ones that require a light gun or special device (like dual joystick [robotron], a trackball [missile command] or a steering wheel [lots of different racers]). Although once I have a pack of only games in that ROMs directory it will be much easier I think to use ROM auditing utilities to narrow down genres and control schemes. At least I hope so. Manual auditing is time consuming.
 
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This is pretty cool but too much work for me.

I'm pretty happy with my OG Xbox and Coinops. I'm actually getting a PS2 -> Xbox converter so I can use my custom arcade stick (which is wired for PS1/PS2) on it for arcade games.

This is my stick if you guys haven't seen it:





The art is custom and I did it myself, but the stick was originally made by a service called Kaytrim's Kustoms... it ran me around $250 originally. I used it to compete in SFIII: 3rd Strike tournaments.
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That's cool neurotix thumb.gif I think I mentioned that I want to build one or two custom sticks out of actual arcade quality parts, with plans to eventually tear them down and use the parts for an actual arcade machine. I would likely do it completely DIY though, to keep cost down. Solder all the switches and stick to a standard controller PCB...would be a pretty easy project I think, honestly. But with my current list of unfinished projects, it's sure to be awhile before I get to anything. I'd like to start it fairly soon though...got that Xbox PC I built with tons of stuff on it that would be so much better with the arcade stick.
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Really nice, @neurotix! I need a custom control panel for my Centipede cab that will be an ArcadeSD build.
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That's cool neurotix thumb.gif I think I mentioned that I want to build one or two custom sticks out of actual arcade quality parts, with plans to eventually tear them down and use the parts for an actual arcade machine. I would likely do it completely DIY though, to keep cost down. Solder all the switches and stick to a standard controller PCB...would be a pretty easy project I think, honestly. But with my current list of unfinished projects, it's sure to be awhile before I get to anything. I'd like to start it fairly soon though...got that Xbox PC I built with tons of stuff on it that would be so much better with the arcade stick.

If you go on Shoryuken.com, I'm pretty sure there are people who will sell you just a PCB and wiring harness and then you could build the box yourself, put the buttons and stick in, and connect it to the wiring harness. This way you don't have to solder anything.
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