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Right. Take that cable apart and fix it.

The other reason it could not be working might be the dashboard version. These things require VERY specific versions of the dashboard from MS. For mine, it required the one from the Halo 2 disc. Thankfully, mine was already on this dash.

Personally, I would suggest looking into the Splinter Cell exploit and trying that instead.
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Right. Take that cable apart and fix it.

The other reason it could not be working might be the dashboard version. These things require VERY specific versions of the dashboard from MS. For mine, it required the one from the Halo 2 disc. Thankfully, mine was already on this dash.

Personally, I would suggest looking into the Splinter Cell exploit and trying that instead.

I'll let you guys know if I get anywhere with it. I am pretty sure it's just the cable, as I remember verifying if the dashboard was the right version/updating to the right version before starting. I just always have a million projects on the go and this one kind of got forgotten about.
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Last I bought CD-Rs they were $20 for 100, how many do you go through?

I couldn't find them for that cheap in Canada, order most things from Amazon though...guess I should look harder. I think I got 25 for $25 last time I got them. I got ones I know work though, sometime the Dreamcast is picky with what discs it likes I guess.
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I got ones I know work though, sometime the Dreamcast is picky with what discs it likes I guess.

I've always used Verbatim's. Those seem to be popular among other DC users too, and they're pretty cheap.
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I second Verbatim's. The only discs I use for PS2.

Dreamcast, a lot of people have had trouble burning them. I've never had trouble and I've used all different brands of media. Currently I'm using Memorex that I got at Walmart, $20 for 100, and they work with no issues.

I think the problem is that really, people don't know what to do with Dreamcast discs because they're .CDIs.

You either use Discjuggler to burn them, or:

1. Mount .CDI in Daemon Tools.

2. Open imgburn, put it in read mode, set the target as the fake Daemon Tools drive (G: for me), and have it make a iso or bin/cue on your hard drive. I usually just dump it in the root of my D: drive. (My 2TB WD Black)

3. Open the cue or iso with imgburn, burn to CD-R. If you get a junk copy that won't boot in your Dreamcast, try re-burning it on 4x speed in imgburn.

This basically converts the .CDI to a more normal format.

People might also be having problems because they are trying to burn a .GDI, or the image is otherwise corrupted. .GDIs are 1:1 copies of Dreamcast discs with no data removed. They are only usable in emulators. Also, the sites you're using might be junk sites with garbage images. If you want my resource, pm me. A week ago I was trying to get Karous (a late release, Japan-only shooter, not purchasable anymore, you pretty much HAVE to get it online) and I tried like 3 different sites before I found an image that worked. Also, it HAD to be burned with discjuggler, burning it through the other method did not work.

You can also try programs such as bootdreams or cdi2nero (command line) to convert or burn .CDIs.

I've burned games on 3 different burners this way and the Daemon Tools/imgburn method has worked for 99% of games. 2 of the burners were IDE. The one I use now is the original $20 DVD-RW drive (Lite-on, SATA 2) that I got when I first built Big Red. No problems at all with it.
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I use Verbatim as well, I had trouble burning games until I figured out which burner I had would work, using the one burner I have and Verbatim CDRs has yielded a 100% success rate so far, so I figure stick with what I know works. I know several ways to burn them software wise, I always use .CDI files, and IMGBurn+some DC package. Everything from Coolroms so far has been download and burn, without issue. Thanks for the tips though guys. These are the exact discs I've been using - http://www.verbatim.com/prod/optical-media/cd/compact-disc-recordable/cd-recordable-sku-94691/

And I guess the CD-Rs aren't that expensive, I forgot I ordered some from Amazon, 50 for $30, but they sent some Nintendo DS gardening crap by mistake and I never received them, so my girlfriend has been picking them up from the dollar store across the street for $1.25 each lol That's why I thought they where expensive.
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I haven't gotten into Dreamcast modding or anything yet. I know Dreamcast didn't use CDs or DVDs for the games but a GD-ROM which some where in between. I think the max space was 1 gig or something? Anyway I assume you can't use DVDs for the games so do you ever run out of space? Is there a way to span a game across multiple CDs?
 
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I haven't gotten into Dreamcast modding or anything yet. I know Dreamcast didn't use CDs or DVDs for the games but a GD-ROM which some where in between. I think the max space was 1 gig or something? Anyway I assume you can't use DVDs for the games so do you ever run out of space? Is there a way to span a game across multiple CDs?

Dreamcast GD-ROMs hold about 1.2gb. However, the GD-ROM drive can also read normal CDs and MIL-CD. Read about these different formats on Wikipedia.

No, you cannot use DVDs because the DC drive can't read them.

There ARE multi disc games but I can't think of many. Skies of Arcadia was one of the biggest, but its still only 2 discs and 2GB. Without fmvs the game itself is probably even less. This makes sense because similar games of the era (say FF9) were about the same size: 4 CDs.

Most scene releases simply reencode things like audio and FMVs in a different format that the Dreamcast can still play, but compressed, so the game can fit on a standard CD. Scene groups like Echelon and Kalisto even claimed that their methods of compression suffered no quality loss.
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I think the problem is that really, people don't know what to do with Dreamcast discs because they're .CDIs.

You either use Discjuggler to burn them, or:

1. Mount .CDI in Daemon Tools.

2. Open imgburn, put it in read mode, set the target as the fake Daemon Tools drive (G: for me), and have it make a iso or bin/cue on your hard drive. I usually just dump it in the root of my D: drive. (My 2TB WD Black)

3. Open the cue or iso with imgburn, burn to CD-R. If you get a junk copy that won't boot in your Dreamcast, try re-burning it on 4x speed in imgburn.

This basically converts the .CDI to a more normal format.

People might also be having problems because they are trying to burn a .GDI, or the image is otherwise corrupted. .GDIs are 1:1 copies of Dreamcast discs with no data removed. They are only usable in emulators. Also, the sites you're using might be junk sites with garbage images. If you want my resource, pm me. A week ago I was trying to get Karous (a late release, Japan-only shooter, not purchasable anymore, you pretty much HAVE to get it online) and I tried like 3 different sites before I found an image that worked. Also, it HAD to be burned with discjuggler, burning it through the other method did not work.

You can also try programs such as bootdreams or cdi2nero (command line) to convert or burn .CDIs.

I've burned games on 3 different burners this way and the Daemon Tools/imgburn method has worked for 99% of games. 2 of the burners were IDE. The one I use now is the original $20 DVD-RW drive (Lite-on, SATA 2) that I got when I first built Big Red. No problems at all with it.

You don't have to go through such an involved process. You can get a .dll for ImgBurn that will allow it to burn .cdi's. That's what I've always used and it's never given me a bad disc.

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As for the GD-ROM dilemma, every DC game I know of will fit on a 99 minute (870MB) CD-R with little or no editing of the game files. The problem is that those CD's are extremely hard to find. If you have a Yamaha optical drive in your Dreamcast, you should be able to use MediaRange 900MB discs, but otherwise, your only options are Banana Digital's which have been completely worthless for at least two years (the manufacturer started cheaping out and now the DC laser can't read them), and Number's which can only be found on a Chinese site called TaoBao.

Even beyond that, you need a burner that supports overburn, and very few actually do. Supposedly the Sony Optiarc works fine, and I do have one, but so far I haven't had any good discs, so I haven't really been able to confirm it.
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You don't have to go through such an involved process. You can get a .dll for ImgBurn that will allow it to burn .cdi's. That's what I've always used and it's never given me a bad disc.

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As for the GD-ROM dilemma, every DC game I know of will fit on a 99 minute (870MB) CD-R with little or no editing of the game files. The problem is that those CD's are extremely hard to find. If you have a Yamaha optical drive in your Dreamcast, you should be able to use MediaRange 900MB discs, but otherwise, your only options are Banana Digital's which have been completely worthless for at least two years (the manufacturer started cheaping out and now the DC laser can't read them), and Number's which can only be found on a Chinese site called TaoBao.

Even beyond that, you need a burner that supports overburn, and very few actually do. Supposedly the Sony Optiarc works fine, and I do have one, but so far I haven't had any good discs, so I haven't really been able to confirm it.

Interesting, thanks for the info, this will come in handy if I have to burn a bunch of games in a row. I never really thought to look for a plugin for imgburn, so this makes it much easier. +rep
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I have an anectdote, of debatable amusement, about game hunting.

There's this neighborhood about 15 minutes from where I live that has an insane number of yard sales every weekend. And this one guy seems to have a sale either every weekend or almost every weekend and his PS2/xbox/etc games area $1 each (sometimes less). It's kind of a chaotic setup inside his garage. Some stuff is organized some stuff isn't.

So I'm browsing through some random unorganized rubber bins and find a jewel case that says Shenmue on it. I got really excited...

Then I open the case and...it's two CD-Rs than say Shenmue disc 1/Shenmue disc 2. So some where some one probably has a whole shelf of carefully crafted jewel cases with printed out artwork of the games containing these burned copies of games.

I tried to point out to the guy it was a boot leg and ask if he had the real game. He probably didn't understand what I was saying and ended up selling me the boot leg, a number of real games and one or two other items for $10. So it turned out to be a good deal for me. Although I don't really care if I have a boot leg Shenmue rolleyes.gif
 
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