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Almost certainly the 3310. That's what was available when they started development a few months ago, plus the 3366 is very likely exclusive to Logitech anyway.

And I wouldn't really say the 3310 isn't widely liked. The vast majority of people have no complaints about it other than a few people with spidey senses.

Absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was exclusive, they've commanded previous exclusive sensors before as well as seen with their previous G series releases.
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Almost certainly the 3310. That's what was available when they started development a few months ago, plus the 3366 is very likely exclusive to Logitech anyway.

And I wouldn't really say the 3310 isn't widely liked. The vast majority of people have no complaints about it other than a few people with spidey senses.

Any source for that exclusivity? Pixart has the patents not Logitech. I don't see why it would be exclusive to Logitech because even Razer mice which had their own altered sensor (S3888/S3988) was based on a design (A3090/PMW-3310) that wasn't exclusive.

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Absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was exclusive, they've commanded previous exclusive sensors before as well as seen with their previous G series releases.

Hopefully, it won't be exclusive because want that sensor to be adopted en mass.
Edited by Dreyka - 4/22/14 at 6:05am
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Almost certainly the 3310. That's what was available when they started development a few months ago, plus the 3366 is very likely exclusive to Logitech anyway.

And I wouldn't really say the 3310 isn't widely liked. The vast majority of people have no complaints about it other than a few people with spidey senses.

It's enough to make me very concerned about paying 80 euros ~($110) for one of these mice, in the off chance that it's messed up in a way that bothers me, but most people don't detect.

Quite a few things are like that for some people - for example the lag when moving mouse and dragging windows when you have vsynced windows themes, and not the basic theme - i think like 99% of people don't use the basic theme, but it feels awkward for me on 120hz and makes me scream on 60hz.
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Any source for that exclusivity? Pixart has the patents not Logitech. I don't see why it would be exclusive to Logitech because even Razer mice which had their own altered sensor (S3888/S3988) was based on a design (A3090/PMW-3310) that wasn't exclusive.

Mostly based on their history, nothing confirmed. A lot of Logitech's sensors have typically been an exclusive co-venture with the manufacturer so they can put all the implementations they want into it. And reading between the lines of videos/text from Logitech's PM, it sounds like they put a lot of custom work into the sensor.

Perhaps the 3366 is based on another sensor that will be available or already is available, but I don't think the architecture of the sensor is what people are after in regards to high responsiveness and no smoothing.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1457653/cm-storm-alcor-and-mizar/60_20#post_21596866 makes it sound like CM Storm wasn't aware of any upcoming super sensor that could be available for the Alcor.
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Mostly based on their history, nothing confirmed. A lot of Logitech's sensors have typically been an exclusive co-venture with the manufacturer so they can put all the implementations they want into it. And reading between the lines of videos/text from Logitech's PM, it sounds like they put a lot of custom work into the sensor.

Perhaps the 3366 is based on another sensor that will be available or already is available, but I don't think the architecture of the sensor is what people are after in regards to high responsiveness and no smoothing.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1457653/cm-storm-alcor-and-mizar/60_20#post_21596866 makes it sound like CM Storm wasn't aware of any upcoming super sensor that could be available for the Alcor.

 

Those exclusive sensors were back when Logitech had the patents but the patents have been transferred to Pixart.  Has their been any exclusivity deals since Pixart has owned the patents? Secondly, most of those older sensors are not cutting edge like the PMW-3366. The PMW-3366 is the best sensor currently on the market at the moment so I imagine that it is highly desired.

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Those exclusive sensors were back when Logitech had the patents but the patents have been transferred to Pixart.  Has their been any exclusivity deals since Pixart has owned the patents? Secondly, most of those older sensors are not cutting edge like the PMW-3366. The PMW-3366 is the best sensor currently on the market at the moment so I imagine that it is highly desired.

As far as I know this is the first sensor between PixArt and Logitech since PixArt acquired Avago not too long ago, so for now the only basis we have to look at from the outside is their past relationship model.

I have no doubt the 3366 is highly desired by now, but that's not really relevant to exclusivity. Logically I just don't think it makes sense to say that Logitech is going to go send their paid engineers to work with PixArt and develop an awesome sensor but only under the condition that what they end up with is open for the competition to use. It would be a far worse deal than they had in the past with Avago.

It's all speculation but until there's another mouse announced using the 3366 I find it more plausible that it is exclusive to Logitech.
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As someone who seems to have missed the memo: What's different about 3366?
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As someone who seems to have missed the memo: What's different about 3366?

No accel, no prediction, no smoothing, no pixel rounding. Just very responsive, raw tracking. Also has higher PCS and DPI than the 3310 for those who care about that stuff at insane levels.

For whatever his word is worth r0ach says it's the best sensor he's ever used.
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No accel, no prediction, no smoothing, no pixel rounding. Just very responsive, raw tracking. Also has higher PCS and DPI than the 3310 for those who care about that stuff at insane levels.

For whatever his word is worth r0ach says it's the best sensor he's ever used.

Which direction should i throw my money for a fingertippable mouse with low weight (~80g +-20 i guess preferable) that has this thing and when am i likely to get one? x3

I'm using a DA 3.5g for an acceptable FPS sensor and a xornet for an acceptable grip for osu/sc2/league/other-2d-stuffs, both of them have major shortcomings and i have to switch them out all the time.

Oh, what's the LOD? I prefer higher (like 3.5g has) but i guess lower is acceptable if the grip is good on the shell (bad grip + low LOD = sometimes lifting from pad a little = RANDOMLY STARING AT SKY DURING A TURN)
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Alcor WILL use 3310 in nev revision. AFAIK current rev uses 3090

http://gaming.coolermaster.com/en/products/mice/alcor/
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