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Typical MS FORCING consumers to buy windows 8 by dropping all support for 7. Oh well im staying with 7 anyways

Try reading this article as well as using Technet. Support for Windows 7 is here for 6 more years. thumb.gif Anyone who complains of W8.1 ONLY COMPLAINS OF THE GUI. A 15 second classicshell install cures all ailments. (I have had 50+ clients call and complain and the second classicshell was installed they were impressed and happy) W8 is great "under the hood".
    
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Typical MS FORCING consumers to buy windows 8 by dropping all support for 7. Oh well im staying with 7 anyways

M$ is not dropping all support for Win 7. All M$ is doing is ending sales of Win 7 preinstalled on new computers in October. Mainstream support (security and bug fixes) won't end until 1/13/2015. Extended support (security fixes only) won't end until 1/14/2020.
     
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do you guys recommend taking windows 8 over windows 7 at the moment?

i really like windows 7 but i hate the thought of windows 8.

it seems/sounds like a new OS to me.

for my new pc, (doesnt have any OS installed yet) do you guys recommend sticking with windows 7, (something im familiar with/fond of) or go with the new windows 8?

I would suggest sticking with windows 7 for now if you have the option for non-touchscreen devices (like desktops usually are). Especially considering that you already like 7.
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I would suggest sticking with windows 7 for now if you have the option for non-touchscreen devices (like desktops usually are). Especially considering that you already like 7.

Agreed, there is really nothing that makes Win 8 worth upgrading to over 7 other than slightly faster boot times (negligible) and a slight performance increase for BF4. Other than that I would stick with Win 7.
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I would suggest sticking with windows 7 for now if you have the option for non-touchscreen devices (like desktops usually are). Especially considering that you already like 7.

Agreed, there is really nothing that makes Win 8 worth upgrading to over 7 other than slightly faster boot times (negligible) and a slight performance increase for BF4. Other than that I would stick with Win 7.

I understood his question being that he needs to buy a license for his new PC, so he would also need to pay for 7. In that case, the answer isn't easy, I feel. I'm worried about for example updates to Direct3D that might be important to make it compete in performance with Mantle. Things like that might come to 8 but won't be available in 7.

I'd probably just buy the cheapest license one can get and decide like that if it should be 7 or 8.
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I understood his question being that he needs to buy a license for his new PC, so he would also need to pay for 7. In that case, the answer isn't easy, I feel. I'm worried about for example updates to Direct3D that might be important to make it compete in performance with Mantle. Things like that might come to 8 but won't be available in 7.

I'd probably just buy the cheapest license one can get and decide like that if it should be 7 or 8.

I agree with this.

If it's upgrading from 7, getting 8 (unless it's at the $15 promotional price or free through technet) isn't worth it. If it's buying a new license, get the cheaper license.
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I understood his question being that he needs to buy a license for his new PC, so he would also need to pay for 7. In that case, the answer isn't easy, I feel. I'm worried about for example updates to Direct3D that might be important to make it compete in performance with Mantle. Things like that might come to 8 but won't be available in 7.

I'd probably just buy the cheapest license one can get and decide like that if it should be 7 or 8.

Mantle is separate API from DirectX and only way it would support something on 7 and not on 8 is if AMD does it specifically that way. Atm 8 has only DX 11.1 and as far as I'm aware there is no programs in existence today that would make use of DX 11.1 features over using plain DX 11. My guess would be that Mantle will have full set of available features on both 7 and 8 as long as AMD supports it.

In case of Windows 8 on desktop looking at only the licence price is not quite fair comparison in my opinion. One should be considering Win 7 license price vs Windows 8 licence + any 3rd party software price that is needed to make it usable in desktop environment. For me, personally, having 7 over 8 would be worth a little price premium - but I am uncommon usage case with way too large desktop resolutions to be friendly with Metro and it's habit of putting everything fullscreen. My opinion is based on using Win 8 Pro for 6 month (coming, and after 6 months going back to Win 7 Pro). For me both windows versions were free through the MSDN Academic alliance program.
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Mantle is separate API from DirectX and only way it would support something on 7 and not on 8 is if AMD does it specifically that way. Atm 8 has only DX 11.1 and as far as I'm aware there is no programs in existence today that would make use of DX 11.1 features over using plain DX 11. My guess would be that Mantle will have full set of available features on both 7 and 8 as long as AMD supports it.

In case of Windows 8 on desktop looking at only the licence price is not quite fair comparison in my opinion. One should be considering Win 7 license price vs Windows 8 licence + any 3rd party software price that is needed to make it usable in desktop environment. For me, personally, having 7 over 8 would be worth a little price premium - but I am uncommon usage case with way too large desktop resolutions to be friendly with Metro and it's habit of putting everything fullscreen. My opinion is based on using Win 8 Pro for 6 month (coming, and after 6 months going back to Win 7 Pro). For me both windows versions were free through the MSDN Academic alliance program.

I would disagree with your opinion, because you make it sound like it is necessary to install 3rd party applications in order to make it usable. That is not true in the slightest bit. Maybe for your particular case and usage patterns, it's necessary, but for the vast majority it is not necessary. Metro can be a bit intrusive at times, yes, but it doesn't make 8 "unusable for desktops." It is also making the assumption that all 3rd party applications for modifying the UI is paid, when that simply isn't true. There are plenty of free ones out there, ranging from ones like ClassicShell that makes it look like 7 to Rainmeter that changes the interface entirely.

Metro is only extremely intrusive if you haven't changed the file defaults. Once you change the defaults, it rarely appears, particularly if you have all your shortcuts on the desktop. There are a few rare scenarios, like using bluetooth for example. But once properly set up it should not get in the way.
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no kidding if getting a new OS, I would personally take win8 + classic shell over win7.

Microsoft is HIGHLY likely to use DIrectX 12 again to force people move to win8.1 onwards. DirectX12 might also be the first low level DirectX API, that is significant enough do just pick win8 over win7.
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Or dirextx12 will be for windows 9. I am glad I am not in the market for a PC for at least 20 moth:) 

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