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I was talking about the 650 and the 7750. That guy said that he was worried about Power Consumption so he chose the 7750 over the 650 as it saves 9watts.
That was not the only reason to choose 7750 over 650.Other resons were 1. no need for pcie connection and 2.7750 being cheaper than 650 but both have same performance.
But this gen if i were to choose between 750 and 260X i would go for 750 and between 750Ti and 265 i would go for 750Ti.Also prices this gen are also same.In fact on flipkart 750Ti 2GB is cheaper than 7850 2GB .
    
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That was not the only reason to choose 7750 over 650.Other resons were 1. no need for pcie connection and 2.7750 being cheaper than 650 but both have same performance.
But this gen if i were to choose between 750 and 260X i would go for 750 and between 750Ti and 265 i would go for 750Ti.Also prices this gen are also same.In fact on flipkart 750Ti 2GB is cheaper than 7850 2GB .
True. But the 265 will replace the 7850 and will be cheaper. Just like the 270X is slightly faster than the 7870 and cheaper than it here in India.
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Given all the discussion on 7850 versus 750ti, I have both now having upgraded my loud and and hot 460. The 750ti was a great upgrade for $150, twice the power, much cooler and quieter. But for BOINC it really is well behind the performance of the 7850, like 60% of the PPD in DiRT and Collatz. PPD per watt it is still ahead though probably. I am anxious to get some F@H data, but at the moment Core 17 work units fail instantly until something gets fixed.
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I presume Nvidia is straining themselves to compete with AMD's graphics department. 750Ti is great and the gpu's performance shows that, but my evidence being the reknowned Pcper capture card totalling the score for sure. Either Nvidia has stuttering due to inferior hardware/software, or AMD's frame pacing is better than ever.

I really clasp my teeth when the video goes skippy, trying to anticipate when the next frame will take a hit. Nowadays nothing so comforting and free such as a youtube stream, no mess involved.
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I presume Nvidia is straining themselves to compete with AMD's graphics department.

Yes, this is why the marketshare split is 35/65 at the moment. And why Nvidia gained marketshare last quarter despite AMD releasing new cards top to bottom.

And why NV's newest architecture is absolutely murdering Kepler and GCN when it comes to efficiency, (per watt or per mm^2) or clock speeds.
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750Ti is great and the gpu's performance shows that, but my evidence being the reknowned Pcper capture card totalling the score for sure. Either Nvidia has stuttering due to inferior hardware/software, or AMD's frame pacing is better than ever.

I really clasp my teeth when the video goes skippy, trying to anticipate when the next frame will take a hit. Nowadays nothing so comforting and free such as a youtube stream, no mess involved.

Might as well post the rest of the graphs:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





Which should tell you that your example is an outlier and the supposed issues aren't present in any of the other games.


If anyone is going to have a hard time keeping in the future it's AMD. With GPUs being power restricted at the high end they either have to:

A) improve their efficiency by a huge margin

or

B) Lose badly to maxwell.

If B happens you'll see what you're seeing now in the low end, AMD having to fight small ,efficient Nvidia chips with much bigger guns because their own smaller chips just aren't capable of competing. The comparable chip to the 750Ti is bonaire, the 260X. And even that has higher memory bandwidth, much higher power consumption, a bigger die size and GM107 is still more than handily outperforming it in most reviews.
 
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Yes, this is why the marketshare split is 35/65 at the moment. And why Nvidia gained marketshare last quarter despite AMD releasing new cards top to bottom.

And why NV's newest architecture is absolutely murdering Kepler and GCN when it comes to efficiency, (per watt or per mm^2) or clock speeds.
Might as well post the rest of the graphs:


If B happens you'll see what you're seeing now in the low end, AMD having to fight small ,efficient Nvidia chips with much bigger guns because their own smaller chips just aren't capable of competing. The comparable chip to the 750Ti is bonaire, the 260X. And even that has higher memory bandwidth, much higher power consumption, a bigger die size and GM107 is still more than handily outperforming it in most reviews.
I'm definitely arguing for AMD, so let's make it clear: AMD is density efficient; eventhough power inefficient because this isn't manufacturabillity contest "2009".

So, my perception is what scored AMD a win in 2009 when HD 4890 engaged the GTX 285 did not work this time because Nvidia is not doing their usual "big & power guzzler chips". Then, nobody would argue the fan duty targets since the other vendor did not offer more comfort.
The current approach Nvidia is following is more expensive, but actually easier because the heatsink interface is at the limits of operability. Any denser and it becomes a problem reaching the same clock speeds at the threshold of respective cooling and power limits. The current defacto applied heatsink material "copper" cannot transfer any more heat per die area unless we start harnessing such Quantum solutions as laser cooling, soon. Heat capacitance is a solid hamper on silicon gates' progression until graphene heatsinks and transistors reach their prime performance. That is why AMD's state of the art effort fails - because they did not do their homework, power engineering as well as Nvidia. Either a "full volume" cooling solution, or "low volume" cooling and accompanying low transistor speed & power inefficiency were the options to select and that somehow became the easy pick for AMD. Yet, they do perform better, ironically.
Let's spill the beans while we are at it, shall we? The score to settle is the spikes:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





However, it is a waste of time comparing spikes when you can easily tell them by looking at the variance from the median which is the reason, the next graphs plotted just after the frame time comparison are for: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





What is not for debate is that Nvidia cards' individual lines do cross for higher delay. Naysayers may chant that it would go unnoticed, or nobody would care; but that is plotted on an objective test to be the result.
Which is my point: this is for desktop ergonomy and I am actually sufficiently glad to utilize a 2-generation-old-less-than-150-watts-graphics-aperture the concept of which was just a few years ago out of this world.
Maxwell may prove good for Nvidia's already superior marketing campaign, but it is still out of concept. They just landed the one card to make the most impact due to efficiency; however I'm not going to go the trouble building an itx case, nor is this a laptop solution. Rather, I'm against buying it because the hardware cannot cope with thoroughput: it is about features and whether it works and rather not "how fast" it works. That is what gpu's are for - much unlike cache driven efforts Nvidia is delivering. True, efficient, but out of concept. If Nvidia is trying to make their own gp-cpu why not put the name correctly? Since the arrival of their Denver ARM cpu's and AMD's own ARM cpu's will default the 1:0 cpu score between AMD & Nvidia, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

Yes, this is why the marketshare split is 35/65 at the moment. And why Nvidia gained marketshare last quarter despite AMD releasing new cards top to bottom.

And why NV's newest architecture is absolutely murdering Kepler and GCN when it comes to efficiency, (per watt or per mm^2) or clock speeds.
Might as well post the rest of the graphs:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





Which should tell you that your example is an outlier and the supposed issues aren't present in any of the other games.


If anyone is going to have a hard time keeping in the future it's AMD. With GPUs being power restricted at the high end they either have to:

A) improve their efficiency by a huge margin

or

B) Lose badly to maxwell.

If B happens you'll see what you're seeing now in the low end, AMD having to fight small ,efficient Nvidia chips with much bigger guns because their own smaller chips just aren't capable of competing. The comparable chip to the 750Ti is bonaire, the 260X. And even that has higher memory bandwidth, much higher power consumption, a bigger die size and GM107 is still more than handily outperforming it in most reviews.

Fermi and the gtx 280 has been forgotten?

AMD ruled inefficiency for a long time until now with the r9 290 series.
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Given all the discussion on 7850 versus 750ti, I have both now having upgraded my loud and and hot 460. The 750ti was a great upgrade for $150, twice the power, much cooler and quieter. But for BOINC it really is well behind the performance of the 7850, like 60% of the PPD in DiRT and Collatz. PPD per watt it is still ahead though probably. I am anxious to get some F@H data, but at the moment Core 17 work units fail instantly until something gets fixed.

Compared to the 750Ti, any card is loud and hot. tongue.gif

Good to hear that it doubles the performance of a 460, my brother's going to make the same upgrade as soon as the ASUS cards are back in stock online. thumb.gif

Also, if you don't mind me asking, where did you find one for $150? All the prices I can find online are $160 or above.
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Compared to the 750Ti, any card is loud and hot. tongue.gif

Good to hear that it doubles the performance of a 460, my brother's going to make the same upgrade as soon as the ASUS cards are back in stock online. thumb.gif

Also, if you don't mind me asking, where did you find one for $150? All the prices I can find online are $160 or above.

I ordered from Amazon on back order, they said 2 - 5 weeks but it was quicker than that. But it appears that all the cards are $10 - $20 more expensive now.
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Given all the discussion on 7850 versus 750ti, I have both now having upgraded my loud and and hot 460. The 750ti was a great upgrade for $150, twice the power, much cooler and quieter. But for BOINC it really is well behind the performance of the 7850, like 60% of the PPD in DiRT and Collatz. PPD per watt it is still ahead though probably. I am anxious to get some F@H data, but at the moment Core 17 work units fail instantly until something gets fixed.

DIRT and Collatz are heavily AMD biased because they're OpenCL however

see GTX 750 TI OpenCL performance
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2014/nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-maxwell-im-test/7/#diagramm-gpu-computing-clbenchmark

& http://ht4u.net/reviews/2014/nvidia_geforce_gtx_750_ti_im_test/index38.php
Edited by AlphaC - 3/14/14 at 7:27pm
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