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You know he means the hanging is not frame time related.

Jeez lol.

So now we moved from mantle to boost clock, to gsync and now frame time.

While everyobe ignores the main factor which is the stock cpu. Burn...

I don't care about any of it to be honest, I'm well past arguing with people like yourself. I was simply pointing out how you cannot have completely smooth and hanging in the same description.

If it's all so flawless, maybe you're better of spending your time assisting users who aren't so fortunate, either here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1463919/amd-mirror-catalyst-14-1-beta-released

or here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1464599/amd-beta-14-1-drivers-tahiti-ppd-increase

and try to do something productive with your time for a change?
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I don't care about any of it to be honest, I'm well past arguing with people like yourself. I was simply pointing out how you cannot have completely smooth and hanging in the same description.

If it's all so flawless, maybe you're better of spending your time assisting users who aren't so fortunate, either here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1463919/amd-mirror-catalyst-14-1-beta-released

or here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1464599/amd-beta-14-1-drivers-tahiti-ppd-increase

and try to do something productive with your time for a change?

And I am arguing that the context was frame time.

Mantle is far from perfect, it requires so much vram atm. Which cause the hangs I assume.
So I wouldn't call it perfect at all

Take you own advice also you seem to know alot more than me. thumb.gif
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They sure aren't. Mantle is largely useful if you're not OC'ing to crazy limits, I didn't really see much difference going from Mantle to DX on my 3.6GHz Xeon L5639 (Yes it's a six-core stop calling it a quad!)

You are using a R9 280 X (7970 Rebrand) which is GCN 1.0 hardware and will see less of a gain than GCN 1.1 hardware. GCN 1.1 Hardware ONLY consists of R9 290, 290 X and the 7790 all other GCN cards are GCN 1.0.
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Originally Posted by bencher View Post

You know he means the hanging is not frame time related.

Jeez lol.

So now we moved from mantle to boost clock, to gsync and now frame time.

While everyobe ignores the main factor which is the stock cpu. Burn...

Yeah it's amusing, the die hard AMD guys are obviously going to overlook the stock CPU but now even the die hard Nvidia guys are overlooking it despite it being one of the biggest issues with these benchmarks the other being the interference to the boosting of both cards. In this topic the only issues should be the stock CPU and the interference to the boosting of BOTH cards G-Sync is irrelevant to this topic and there is only one reason why someone would mention it (You're too obvious).
Edited by Razor 116 - 2/22/14 at 10:23am
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I don't care about any of it to be honest, I'm well past arguing with people like yourself. I was simply pointing out how you cannot have completely smooth and hanging in the same description.

If it's all so flawless, maybe you're better of spending your time assisting users who aren't so fortunate, either here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1463919/amd-mirror-catalyst-14-1-beta-released

or here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1464599/amd-beta-14-1-drivers-tahiti-ppd-increase

and try to do something productive with your time for a change?

Yes you can.

You can have great smooth performance indifferently of stability.

BF4 Mantle is completely smooth across the board now, but its suffering from crashes since the latest patch (not related to Mantle, everyone is getting them).

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And I am arguing that the context was frame time.

Mantle is far from perfect, it requires so much vram atm. Which cause the hangs I assume.
So I wouldn't call it perfect at all

Take you own advice also you seem to know alot more than me. thumb.gif

If you're talking about the stalls, that got fixed completely with the Feb 13th patch, if you're talking about the crashes, that's happening to absolutely everyone (Direct3D users as well).

High VRAM usage? That's by design, Mantle gives developers explicit control over GPU memory (not possible with Direct3D), so it's up to the developer to use all of the available VRAM for different reasons (optimizations, bigger textures, etc). If you have a 3GB card, why wouldn't you want all of that VRAM used up by your games? it's there for a reason. Unused memory is useless memory.

While I may agree to some degree that Mantle is far from perfect in this initial release (performance of GCN 1.0 GPUs still not being exposed completely, no support for mobile chips, no support for mGPU setups), it's pretty damn good already considering its benefits, it completely changed BF4 for me, it's easily the best performing game out there right now. Like I've said several times already, 64 player servers now perform like 24/32 ones with Mantle instead of Direct3D.
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You are using a R9 280 X (7970 Rebrand) which is GCN 1.0 hardware and will see less of a gain than GCN 1.1 hardware. GCN 1.1 Hardware ONLY consists of R9 290, 290 X and the 7790 all other GCN cards are GCN 1.0.
Yeah it's amusing, the die hard AMD guys are obviously going to overlook the stock CPU but now even the die hard Nvidia guys are overlooking it despite it being one of the biggest issues with these benchmarks the other being the interference to the boosting of both cards. In this topic the only issues should be the stock CPU and the interference to the boosting of BOTH cards G-Sync is irrelevant to this topic and there is only one reason why someone would mention it (You're too obvious).

So what if the benchmarks were done using a non overclocked CPU? I really don't have a problem with that.

If all the problems Mantle solved were easily fixed by overclocking your CPU, Mantle wouldn't exist in the first place.
Edited by SlackerITGuy - 2/22/14 at 10:38am
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Yes you can.

You can have great smooth performance indifferently of stability.

BF4 Mantle is completely smooth across the board now, but its suffering from crashes since the latest patch (not related to Mantle, everyone is getting them).
If you're talking about the stalls, that got fixed completely with the Feb 13th patch, if you're talking about the crashes, that's happening to absolutely everyone (Direct3D users as well).

High VRAM usage? That's by design, Mantle gives developers explicit control over GPU memory (not possible with Direct3D), so it's up to the developer to use all of the available VRAM for different reasons (optimizations, bigger textures, etc). If you have a 3GB card, why wouldn't you want all of that VRAM used up by your games? it's there for a reason. Unused memory is useless memory.

While I may agree to some degree that Mantle is far from perfect in this initial release (performance of GCN 1.0 GPUs still not being exposed completely, no support for mobile chips, no support for mGPU setups), it's pretty damn good already considering its benefits, it completely changed BF4 for me, it's easily the best performing game out there right now. Like I've said several times already, 64 player servers now perform like 24/32 ones with Mantle instead of Direct3D.
So what if the benchmarks were done using a non overclocked CPU? I really don't have a problem with that.

If all the problems Mantle solved were easily fixed by overclocking your CPU, Mantle wouldn't exist in the first place.

You may not however I and many others find it unusual, I don't have a problem with the benchmarks being done with a stock CPU per-say(As it shows the best case scenario for Mantle and the worst case scenario for D3D) I however would prefer the same tests be done with an overclclocked CPU as a comparison. Doing the test with a stock CPU will fit the most people as people who overlclock their CPU are the minority. I don't think anyone and I certainly have never said that overclocking the CPU is going to "fix all the problems" however the comparision should be standard in all these "Mantle vs Direct3D" benchmarks.
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You may not however I and many others find it unusual, I don't have a problem with the benchmarks being done with a stock CPU per-say(As it shows the best case scenario for Mantle and the worst case scenario for D3D) I however would prefer the same tests be done with an overclclocked CPU as a comparison. Doing the test with a stock CPU will fit the most people as people who overlclock their CPU are the minority. I don't think anyone and I certainly have never said that overclocking the CPU is going to "fix all the problems" however the comparision should be standard in all these "Mantle vs Direct3D" benchmarks.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7728/battlefield-4-mantle-preview
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You may not however I and many others find it unusual, I don't have a problem with the benchmarks being done with a stock CPU per-say(As it shows the best case scenario for Mantle and the worst case scenario for D3D) I however would prefer the same tests be done with an overclclocked CPU as a comparison. Doing the test with a stock CPU will fit the most people as people who overlclock their CPU are the minority. I don't think anyone and I certainly have never said that overclocking the CPU is going to "fix all the problems" however the comparision should be standard in all these "Mantle vs Direct3D" benchmarks.

Then that same standard should also include overclocking the GPU. Thus bringing it back to square one and the need for a Mantle API (as endorsed by numerous developers).
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Then that same standard should also include overclocking the GPU. Thus bringing it back to square one and the need for a Mantle API (as endorsed by numerous developers).

While that would be correct for a GPU review it's not the case for an API vs API review particularly an API designed to remove the CPU bottleneck. What I want to see is a entry, mainstream and enthusiast level rigs tested with the best GPU from AMD(R9 290 X) and Nvidia (GTX 780Ti / Titan Black) the GPUs should be left at stock with no interference to their boost and the test should be done with a stock CPU and then an overclocked CPU. This review got some right except they interfered with the bost on the cards and only tested with a stock CPU. I don't see this as asking much in fact this is what is expected at least before these Mantle reviews.
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For new GPU buyers this review is irrelevant, high-end AMD cards are basically out of the question for gaming considering how much they cost right now.
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For new GPU buyers this review is irrelevant, high-end AMD cards are basically out of the question for gaming considering how much they cost right now.

It's a German review, radeon prices are what they always where in EU.
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