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WOW....

I just ran star swarn fir the first time...

In DX I was getting 17fps during fire fight. With mantle I get 62fps band.gif
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why dont we see in mainstream the numbers for 1440p/1600p?

I had to look like idiot for mantle 1440p numbers ... found only this one
here is the link

3930k@4.3GHz @1440p and the numbers are telling a story that makes sense why we get only 1080p results and none 1440p/1600p/3x1080p

on low details mantle gives additional fps, but once you move to ultra, the performance gains are small
ultra @1440p http://otavafiles.fi/plaza/s/f/editor/images/20140201mantle1.png
low @1440p http://otavafiles.fi/plaza/s/f/editor/images/20140201mantle2.png

and again, why does the mainstream not report 1440p/1600p? suddenly they lost the drive to show us higher resolutions, or its just in case of mantle?

apparently yes

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why dont we see in mainstream the numbers for 1440p/1600p?

I had to look like idiot for mantle 1440p numbers ... found only this one
here is the link

3930k@4.3GHz @1440p and the numbers are telling a story that makes sense why we get only 1080p results and none 1440p/1600p/3x1080p

on low details mantle gives additional fps, but once you move to ultra, the performance gains are small
ultra @1440p http://otavafiles.fi/plaza/s/f/editor/images/20140201mantle1.png
low @1440p http://otavafiles.fi/plaza/s/f/editor/images/20140201mantle2.png

and again, why does the mainstream not report 1440p/1600p? suddenly they lost the drive to show us higher resolutions, or its just in case of mantle?

apparently yes

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Small gains are also gains.

We all know the biggest increases will come from budget system.

I am not sure how many times it has been said in this thread.
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why dont we see in mainstream the numbers for 1440p/1600p?

I had to look like idiot for mantle 1440p numbers ... found only this one
here is the link

3930k@4.3GHz @1440p and the numbers are telling a story that makes sense why we get only 1080p results and none 1440p/1600p/3x1080p

on low details mantle gives additional fps, but once you move to ultra, the performance gains are small
ultra @1440p http://otavafiles.fi/plaza/s/f/editor/images/20140201mantle1.png
low @1440p http://otavafiles.fi/plaza/s/f/editor/images/20140201mantle2.png

and again, why does the mainstream not report 1440p/1600p? suddenly they lost the drive to show us higher resolutions, or its just in case of mantle?

apparently yes

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Benchmarks showing 7% gains don't drive page clicks.
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My concern is that you are claiming that Mantle eliminates a CPU bottleneck, and yet the performance is the same at both 2 and 3 GHz. Which would imply that there is no bottleneck. Otherwise increasing frequency should also improve performance. Just because performance is higher, doesn't necessarily mean it was because the CPU was bottlenecking. There are other optimizations that can be made to improve performance, as we see with nearly every driver update.

Edit: Actually, as I look at that graph again, I really don't get what they are trying to show. 4C/4T @ 2 GHz is the same as 2C/4T @ 3 GHz? And then they also show 6C/12T @ 4.2? All of which have roughly the same performance. Makes no sense. Doubling the frequency, adding 50% more cores and 200% more threads, and you get a measly 5% performance increase? Doesn't look like a CPU bottleneck to me.
Then look at it like this: @2, 3, and 4Ghz with different core/thread count the results are somewhat similar. This would lead to a GPU bound situation, yet with the GPU being equal in each you do get a gain across the board from Mantle. This is the result we want. Clocking that CPU higher and using that much more power/watts ( and yes that particular CPU uses heavy watts @ 4.6 or 4.8Ghz as shown with the 9590 review where it used more than the AMD) Made little difference so in a way you are getting a CPU bottleneck, although technically it is an engine/DirectX bottleneck. Mantle brings out more performance.
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Benchmarks showing 7% gains don't drive page clicks.


If nvidia released something that increased performance by 7% for $200 you guys would be jumping out your tree to get it, AMD do it for free and it's not good enough. And that's the lower end of performance gains, we all know mantle is better than dx11 so why are you guys making yourselves look silly defending something that's worse??? Its not AMD vs nvidia, it's directx vs mantle.. And you know mantle is better. And if you don't your in denial.
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Actually now that I think about it, I wonder if the draw calls increased in BF4. That was the big thing with Mantle. FPS is not telling the whole story at all, albeit cool. I haven't seen any real mention of what parts of Mantle were implemented. You could be getting 30FPS more and with that 30FPS you are also getting more objects drawn to screen by some %.
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If nvidia released something that increased performance by 7% for $200 you guys would be jumping out your tree to get it, AMD do it for free and it's not good enough. And that's the lower end of performance gains, we all know mantle is better than dx11 so why are you guys making yourselves look silly defending something that's worse??? Its not AMD vs nvidia, it's directx vs mantle.. And you know mantle is better. And if you don't your in denial.

Defensive much? It was a joke. Lighten up.
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Defensive much? It was a joke. Lighten up.
I thought it was more a jab at the review sites myself and AGREED.
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Defensive much? It was a joke. Lighten up.
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I thought it was more a jab at the review sites myself and AGREED.


Yeah, i wasn't having a go at you forceman, i'm just sayin.
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