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Its a bit faster but nothing to make your gpu to get like 30-40 fps more. When i moved from windows 7 to windows 8.1 i just got better frame latency. Either way they should have amd dx numbers too

Those PCLabs results are pretty high, I agree, but they are using a 8350 so that could be a factor. Other reviews/tests using faster processors show smaller gains (HardOCP saw about 6% with a 3770K@4.8 for example) but if Win 8.1 is reducing a CPU bottleneck it could be having a larger difference on weaker CPUs (like Mantle itself). Or that PCLabs data could just be crap. Some responsible site really needs to do some testing with all the new patches/drivers and see what is going on.
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Those PCLabs results are pretty high, I agree, but they are using a 8350 so that could be a factor. Other reviews/tests using faster processors show smaller gains (HardOCP saw about 6% with a 3770K@4.8 for example) but if Win 8.1 is reducing a CPU bottleneck it could be having a larger difference on weaker CPUs (like Mantle itself). Or that PCLabs data could just be crap. Some responsible site really needs to do some testing with all the new patches/drivers and see what is going on.

Its not only that. Look 780ti results before and after. Also the difference from titan is weird. I cant believe that a titan is so slow or the 780 ti is so much faster. The same applies to 290.Also the difference between a 7970 and a 290 is 10 fps but the difference with the 290x is 14.

Hmm the review from hardocp disagree actually. Yeah nvidia has a better cpu performance with windows 8.1 but nothing important


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So now can we agree that this site has testing methodology issues, or are we to believe these results are bogus but the OP ones are fine?

Edit: actually it looks like the Mantle results are about the same, just the Nvidia scores went up significantly. Maybe driver/patch improvements? Other sites also showed pretty strong Nvidia gains in recent tests (but they were all widely mocked by certain individuals).
I believe that its also the drivers, as usually only the latest gpus get advances from drivers and they forget to introduce the increases for other gpus.

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Its not only that. Look 780ti results before and after. Also the difference from titan is weird. I cant believe that a titan is so slow or the 780 ti is so much faster. The same applies to 290.Also the difference between a 7970 and a 290 is 10 fps but the difference with the 290x is 14.

Hmm the review from hardocp disagree actually. Yeah nvidia has a better cpu performance with windows 8.1 but nothing important

well i am sporting win7 myself, but that picture shows 6.0x% increse for avg fps (49,3/46,4)
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same performance









beta 1.7vs beta1.6 = 10% performance



290x + 10% performance beta 1.7 = 104fps






GTX780Ti, Titan , 780 blocked boost max = + 10% performance (imho)

780ti @1020MHz = 103fps
Titan 993MHz = 83fps
780 1006Mhz = 79,50fps
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beta 1.7vs beta1.6 = 10% performance



290x + 10% performance beta 1.7 = 104fps






GTX780Ti, Titan , 780 blocked boost max = + 10% performance (imho)

780ti @1020MHz = 103fps
Titan 993MHz = 83fps
780 1006Mhz = 79,50fps

you acco8unted for cpu oc and difference in cpu?
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Yes but the 780 Ti is FAR more expensive than the 290X everywhere else. USA is not the only country in the world.
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So now do we agree that this site has testing methodology issues, or are we to believe these results are bogus but the OP ones are fine?

I think from the start this is obvious. But whatever you know people will support anything that justify their bias.I think is just a review that they dont want to upset none.

Only from the fact that they had so many problems with the alpha drivers they shouldnt really publish this article

Sounds like you have your doubts now. Good.
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same performance





different cpu, cpu oc, os, and beta.
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different cpu, cpu oc, os, and beta.

Ought to tell you how crap the original review (the one in the OP) is when using a 4.6GHz 4770K and win8 the Nvidia scores jump over 40%...

And even if those newer drivers did get a 10% increase for the AMD cards the 780Ti was locked at 928MHz in the tests so once it's at full speed it'll be right there with the AMD cards while they're running mantle.

I wonder what made them choose the specific test platform.....
 
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Ought to tell you how crap the original review (the one in the OP) is when using a 4.6GHz 4770K and win8 the Nvidia scores jump over 40%...

And even if those newer drivers did get a 10% increase for the AMD cards the 780Ti was locked at 928MHz in the tests so once it's at full speed it'll be right there with the AMD cards while they're running mantle.

I wonder what made them choose the specific test platform.....

yea it'll be "right up there", when its magical speeds are "unlocked".

lets not get ahead of ourselves here
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