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I would say no.x5650 build would be more bang for buck.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5650-2-66-GHz-Six-Core-SLBV3-Processor-Grade-A-/121250737445?pt=US_Server_CPUs_Processors&hash=item1c3b1b6d25 CPU

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$325 total..for 6-core powah! biggrin.gif
(12 threads) Here's what a lesser chip than the x5650 will do smile.gif

Edited by Schmuckley - 3/2/14 at 11:31am
 
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Ok let me make a better point as far as gaming with AMD over Intel: http://www.overclock.net/t/1458927/home-review-amd-fx-8320-4-5-vs-intel-3570k-4-5#post_21577352 . This shows why. Look at the graphs and you see why most benches don't tell the whole story.


Now what you see here is normally the case. Intel has way more movement from max to mins and AMD seems quite a bit smoother hence the better gameplay. Look at any review and look at the min/max/avg. Intel will have slightly higher mins with usually way higher maxes and the avg between the two are very close and that is what brings the question: How are the avgs so close if the max for Intel is so much higher? Oh and don't bring that less than 1080p crap here, this is OCN and the particular thread at hand is not looking for 800/600 pixel gameplay. But any way it is what they aren't telling you in reviews that matters, something is always getting left out.

To be very honest, today it wont matter a lot. Either current chip will give one great gameplay. Now running quad-fire will require the best of both to get it done, but for the general OCN masses, as they say "pick your poison".

http://steamcommunity.com/app/43160/discussions/0/810924774410136453/

Results in this benchmarks are ALL OVER THE PLACE on either platform. There are stock clocked FX-6300's achieving better FPS minimas than overclocked FX-8350s. Some systems with 4FPS minimums, some with 20FPS minimums. There's obviously more at play here than the raw unadulterated hardware performance. A game engine that has single digit FPS minimums on flagship hardware can't really be used as a basis to compare hardware because there is obviously a problem with the software.
     
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http://steamcommunity.com/app/43160/discussions/0/810924774410136453/

Results in this benchmarks are ALL OVER THE PLACE on either platform. There are stock clocked FX-6300's achieving better FPS minimas than overclocked FX-8350s. Some systems with 4FPS minimums, some with 20FPS minimums. There's obviously more at play here than the raw unadulterated hardware performance. A game engine that has single digit FPS minimums on flagship hardware can't really be used as a basis to compare hardware because there is obviously a problem with the software.

Looks like SSAA was on. That could be why. Either way, that's a terrible way to illustrate cpu performance in a gpu bound game.
Edited by computerparts - 3/2/14 at 2:25pm
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If you do get it pop your head in to the Vishera owners club. Its Overclock.net after all so we'll show you how to get the most out of the beast.

And yes it is worth it. Its hellishly fun and challenging to overclock. performace my not get as many FPS (min, max and average) as an Intel rig but the experience is SMOOTHER with less max/min spikes. There was a guy in the club who showed us that from his testing results against an equally powered Intel rig

4.7GHz isn't that much IMO. That is generally where double tower coolers like the Noctua NH-D14 and single thick AIO's like H80 top out. Most average 8350's can reach 4.7GHz. Its the poor ones that can't make it higher. Mine is average 4.8GHz at 1.5v. Your average chip should actually reach around 5GHz at about 1.55-1.6v. Used to be lower until 9XXX came along and stole sozo.gif all the GOLDENS.

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^^ Alastair seems very wise on the topic. I'm doing 4.8 Ghz with AOI liquid cooling, (Silverstone TD03) at 1.416 Vcore. This is a recent 8350, meaning the next gen FX's have stolen most of the golden chips out of this bin segment.

Note I'm really only gaming stable, with heavy productivity, which is fine for me. It must pass Cinebench 15 and 3Dmark 11 without a hitch for starters.



Please correct me if I'm wrong, but cinebench is an FPU intensive task that favors the performance of Intel processors. Most games aren't FPU intensive.
I use Cinebench as a load tester because it will load things up more than your average game.

4.8 Ghz gaming stable with AOI cooling is good. I am very happy with this choice. I read about 8320's not OCing to anywhere near this level.

My rig is at the bottom. I spent $1100 dollars on the barebones BOX, switching out SSD's and Win 7.

Best $1100 I've spent.

And I went with Nvidia because over the years I feel that they had better driver support and better 2 way SLI support. My rig has an upgrade path to 2 x 770 GTX 4Gb DDR3 ram. This combo should beat any 690. The Gigabyte card overclocks the memory another 400Mhz easily, plus some on the GPU. One card does wonders, 2 should do 1440p no problem.

Mantle is a great idea. It replaces Direct X as a HAL level API that offloads translation work from the CPU to the GPU. WHAT?

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/mantle/Pages/mantle.aspx

It only works with AMD GPUs. It only works with BF4. Enough said.

Can someone describe the exact benchmark they are using with Battlefield 4?

Thanks
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I would say no.x5650 build would be more bang for buck.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5650-2-66-GHz-Six-Core-SLBV3-Processor-Grade-A-/121250737445?pt=US_Server_CPUs_Processors&hash=item1c3b1b6d25 CPU

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$325 total..for 6-core powah! biggrin.gif
(12 threads) Here's what a lesser chip than the x5650 will do smile.gif

This is a no brainer. Overclock to 4.5-4.8ghz and enjoy being only about 12-20% behind 4930k for 300?

Also worth noting is Tri Channel ram is NOT required for 1366. If you have Dual Channel ram it will run as such
    
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Unless you are doing Floating Point intensive stuff, the AMD FX's still rock the Price to Performance ratio.



Credit to PassMark:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core
Edited by ArconHadron - 3/2/14 at 3:54pm
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Unless you are doing Floating Point intensive stuff, the AMD FX's still rock the Price to Performance ratio.



Credit to PassMark:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core

Passmark is pretty terrible, although you make a brilliant point of exactly why 9590 is terrible too for someone who's not just an AMD overclocking enthusiast - 8320 is available for ~0.4x the price here. If you're not getting the best, you need to have a thick wallet left over IMO~
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Passmark is pretty terrible, although you make a brilliant point of exactly why 9590 is terrible too for someone who's not just an AMD overclocking enthusiast - 8320 is available for ~0.4x the price here. If you're not getting the best, you need to have a thick wallet left over IMO~

Yeah if you just want to have some fun/challenge OC'ing an AMD chip I'd wager you can have as much fun with at FX-8320 as you can with a FX-9590. Just slap some water gear on it and OC away.
    
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If you do get it pop your head in to the Vishera owners club. Its Overclock.net after all so we'll show you how to get the most out of the beast.

And yes it is worth it. Its hellishly fun and challenging to overclock. performace my not get as many FPS (min, max and average) as an Intel rig but the experience is SMOOTHER with less max/min spikes. There was a guy in the club who showed us that from his testing results against an equally powered Intel rig

4.7GHz isn't that much IMO. That is generally where double tower coolers like the Noctua NH-D14 and single thick AIO's like H80 top out. Most average 8350's can reach 4.7GHz. Its the poor ones that can't make it higher. Mine is average 4.8GHz at 1.5v. Your average chip should actually reach around 5GHz at about 1.55-1.6v. Used to be lower until 9XXX came along and stole sozo.gif all the GOLDENS.

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4.4-4.5 on decent single tower air.
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4.8-5.0 High quality Dual rad AIO. Swiftec H220, (Corsair H100I tends to top out at 4.9) CM Glacier or Nepton.
5.0+ Custom water cooling loop.

^^ Alastair seems very wise on the topic. I'm doing 4.8 Ghz with AOI liquid cooling, (Silverstone TD03) at 1.416 Vcore. This is a recent 8350, meaning the next gen FX's have stolen most of the golden chips out of this bin segment.

Note I'm really only gaming stable, with heavy productivity, which is fine for me. It must pass Cinebench 15 and 3Dmark 11 without a hitch for starters.



Please correct me if I'm wrong, but cinebench is an FPU intensive task that favors the performance of Intel processors. Most games aren't FPU intensive.
I use Cinebench as a load tester because it will load things up more than your average game.

4.8 Ghz gaming stable with AOI cooling is good. I am very happy with this choice. I read about 8320's not OCing to anywhere near this level.

My rig is at the bottom. I spent $1100 dollars on the barebones BOX, switching out SSD's and Win 7.

Best $1100 I've spent.

And I went with Nvidia because over the years I feel that they had better driver support and better 2 way SLI support. My rig has an upgrade path to 2 x 770 GTX 4Gb DDR3 ram. This combo should beat any 690. The Gigabyte card overclocks the memory another 400Mhz easily, plus some on the GPU. One card does wonders, 2 should do 1440p no problem.

Mantle is a great idea. It replaces Direct X as a HAL level API that offloads translation work from the CPU to the GPU. WHAT?

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/mantle/Pages/mantle.aspx

It only works with AMD GPUs. It only works with BF4. Enough said.

Can someone describe the exact benchmark they are using with Battlefield 4?

Thanks
Thank you very much. I like to feel I have learnt from the best. If you think I know a lot on this subject you should see KyadCK or MegaMan and Gertrude. These guys have been playing with FX since day 1. I have been playing with my 8320 and 8350 for about 6-8 months or so. You're doing 4.8 @ 1.4v? That's amazing even for gaming "stable". Takes me 1.5v to maintain 4.8GHz in both my 8320 and 8350. But I am pushing my NB very hard at 2700MHz with 2400MHz CL9 RAM. What's your NB and HTT speeds and what sort of RAM are you using. What I recommend for proper stability testing is 12 hours Prime. If you don't have the patience for that. 10 runs of IBT at maximum! That should give you a decent indicator of stability. If you are able to get those stable at under 1.45V then I would say you have at LEAST what I call a SILVER chip. But like I said I would love to know what your HTT and NB are doing. Cause those speeds can also effect your stability a lot as well.

8320's can OC as high 8350's. It's just the difference in voltage required to get there.

As for your questions about cinebench and FPU stress I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA LOL! Cinebench R11.5 does tend to favor INTEL chips. But the new R15 version seems to be a lot less biased. I think because it uses AVX (I stand to be corrected on that) However I do know that Prime small FFT's is a load focused at FPU's. And then blend is a combination of FPU and IMC and other stress. Which is why we recommend blend. Cause it stresses your whole CPU. But because I simply just don't have the patience for 12hours of blend I run IBT.

As for Mantle and AMD. ALTHOUGH only BF4 at this stage supports it I am sure more games will soon. Already Chris Roberts from Star Citizen says the game will support Mantle. All things start out small. Hopefully Mantle will take off and we will all see the benefits. Although I am sure I read somewhere that Mantle will also be able to support NVidia cards. Maybe not to the same level as AMD cards. But I am sure they will still get a boost. Especially with a low level CPU which is the point of Mantle,
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You really need to work on your word usage. Slaughtered is nothing more than fanboy lies. If you wish to sound reasonable, then speak reasonable. For gaming the 9590 is likely gonna be a better option anyway, and if one can manage an AMD GPU purchase then Mantle will make it more so.

Umm no. It's an alright CPU, but it no way in hell is better for gaming then a 4770k. The 4770k even tops the extreme edition CPUs in the majority of games.
 
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Sandisk II Ultra Plus 960GB SSD Seagate Barracuda 2TB Some Supermicro HSF that is an NH-D12 knockoff Windows 7 Pro 
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AMD A4-5000 Kabini ASRock QC5000-ITX  Integrated 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600 
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i7-950 3.8GHz EVGA X58 SLI LE EVGA GTX 970  16GB G.Skill Trident X 2400MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Sandisk II Ultra Plus 960GB SSD Seagate Barracuda 2TB Some Supermicro HSF that is an NH-D12 knockoff Windows 7 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Crossover 44K 40" 3840x2160 Das Mechanical  Silverstone 500 Watt 80+ Gold Phanteks Enthoo Pro 
MouseAudio
Razer Deathadder 2013 Creative Sound Blaster Z 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A4-5000 Kabini ASRock QC5000-ITX  Integrated 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOS
2TB Seagate Constellation Nas x2 RAID 1 Samsung 840 Pro 256GB 2TB Toshiba  NAS4Free 
PowerCase
Silverstone Strider 500 Watt 80+ Gold Fractal Design Node 804 
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