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U mean moving to the left is more stable than moving to the right for example?

DA 2013 is out of question anyways. Using a kinzuadder (v2pro,3.5G) Works with the tape trick, but im not 100% satisfied with the mouse and couldn't really figure out why yet. (sonsor position, polling rate.. i don't know)

Check it on DIMR. The leftward movement is at more like 770 Hz while rightward is closer to 1000 Hz. It's awful. AFAIK the 3G didn't do that.
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post #12 of 19
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Check it on DIMR. The leftward movement is at more like 770 Hz while rightward is closer to 1000 Hz. It's awful. AFAIK the 3G didn't do that.


unlike mouserate checker, i can not see the last few rates in dimr.exe, and it changes realy fast. How do u see it?

Anyway even if it maxes out at 770hz, i barely exceed that on my sensitivity. And i do 180ys only to the right (as most players do)

Is 500 hz affected from this issue aswell ?


edit:
I see it now. U are right about the hz issue.

Wonder if it was the same with the abyssus (as 1000hz was the default polling rate unlike the DA 3.5G)
Edited by acid_reptile - 2/26/14 at 10:28am
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post #13 of 19
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unlike mouserate checker, i can not see the last few rates in dimr.exe, and it changes realy fast. How do u see it?

Anyway even if it maxes out at 770hz, i barely exceed that on my sensitivity. And i do 180ys only to the right (as most players do)

Is 500 hz affected from this issue aswell ?

The problem isn't necessarily that the rate is lower but also that the polling rate jitters a lot more, resulting in a very strange and non-smooth feeling. I look at the average number in DIMR when I test. If a mouse is stable, the average polling rate should be very easy to read and stick to a single value. It goes directly to 1019 Hz on my Avior 7000 and sits there as long as I'm moving the mouse in a circle at a decent enough speed. The DA 3.5G is both jittery and also has variable polling rate depending on direction of movement. That, and the scroll wheel issue that happened to me on my original unit and 3 RMA units in a row within a month of each other means instant sell for that piece of crap.

EDIT: yeah, 500 Hz does it as well but it's more like 500 Hz vs. 470 Hz. still was noticeable though
Edited by metal571 - 2/26/14 at 10:32am
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The problem isn't necessarily that the rate is lower but also that the polling rate jitters a lot more, resulting in a very strange and non-smooth feeling. I look at the average number in DIMR when I test. If a mouse is stable, the average polling rate should be very easy to read and stick to a single value. It goes directly to 1019 Hz on my Avior 7000 and sits there as long as I'm moving the mouse in a circle at a decent enough speed. The DA 3.5G is both jittery and also has variable polling rate depending on direction of movement. That, and the scroll wheel issue that happened to me on my original unit and 3 RMA units in a row within a month of each other means instant sell for that piece of crap.

EDIT: yeah, 500 Hz does it as well but it's more like 500 Hz vs. 470 Hz. still was noticeable though

500 hz seems fine here. 1.96ms @ 509hz in both directions. Also i noticed inprecise tracking when lift off is to high / not using the tape trick. Am i the only one noticing this? Its odd as this wasn't the case with other mice. The G9 for example had really high lift off, but i absolutley loved the feeling of the sensor regardless of mousefeeds height. (aka altered lift-off)
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post #15 of 19
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500 hz seems fine here. 1.96ms @ 509hz in both directions. Also i noticed inprecise tracking when lift off is to high / not using the tape trick. Am i the only one noticing this? Its odd as this wasn't the case with other mice. The G9 for example had really high lift off, but i absolutley loved the feeling of the sensor regardless of mousefeeds height. (aka altered lift-off)

That's bizarre. I did a ton of tests on my DA and it was perfectly in line with and without the tape trick. I primarily used Artisan, Puretrack, and Zowie pads.
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That's bizarre. I did a ton of tests on my DA and it was perfectly in line with and without the tape trick. I primarily used Artisan, Puretrack, and Zowie pads.

I use hardpads only (scarab,4HD,Destructor) Maybe with lower sens and with cloth pads its not as noticalble. Its just that it feels much more direct then. (especially on slower movements)
Edited by acid_reptile - 2/27/14 at 1:08am
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post #17 of 19
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I use hardpads only (scarab,4HD,Destructor) Maybe with lower sens and with cloth pads its not as noticalble. Its just that it feels much more direct then. (especially on slower movements)

The Deathadder definitely likes cloth. However, I've never had an issue tracking on hard surfaces, either.
post #18 of 19
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Check it on DIMR. The leftward movement is at more like 770 Hz while rightward is closer to 1000 Hz. It's awful. AFAIK the 3G didn't do that.


With firmware v2.41 the DA3.5G works with full 1000HZ
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post #19 of 19
Partially personal preference.

The knock on the G500 is the Avago 9500 sensor which has acceleration. It is also heavy, the sensor is not centered, and the weight is distributed unevenly. Finally, the scroll wheel it uses was ripped straight from the MX revolution, and while it is a nice wheel for a regular consumer mouse (due to the free wheel function and side-scroll), it is a wobbly mess that has no business being on a gaming mouse. Because of all those things, I would recommend the G400(s) if you like the G500 shape.

The Deathadder 3.5 is ok. Note that you can get a glossy version of this as well, (transformer edition). Kind of a random thing to say, but I like it more than the standard coating which is why I pointed it out. The main problem I have with it is that it is still a fairly heavy mouse, and the lift off distance is quite large. You can address that with the tape fix though if you want.
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