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I would say go with the AVIOR.
Or wait for the ROCCAT KONE PURE OPTICAL MILITARY.

Do not use a laser mouse again. your mind will be better getting used to a no acceleration mouse.

I just cant agree with that... i dont know what problem some users have with 9500/9800 laser mouses, but i have none. In fact, i find my MS-3 better than my NAOS 7000. Using both on 1000dpi. I simply dont feel that urban-legend-category acceleration, it seems to move exactly as good as the naos. But the MS-3 is better quality, in almost every aspect.
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post #512 of 1929
Dude, it's fine for you to have a personal preference that doesn't reflect the majorities on this side, but the acceleration is not urban myth but measurable and well documented. So just because you might not recognize it doesn't mean others can't.

I would call myself everything but super sensitive in that respect but even I recognize a significantly difference in between a 3310 mouse and my good old G9x.

Also I am a bit astonished by your comment on the build (?) quality.
Would rank my Avior among the best mice I have ever used (which have been a lot over the past years).
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post #513 of 1929
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Originally Posted by LocutusH View Post

I just cant agree with that... i dont know what problem some users have with 9500/9800 laser mouses, but i have none. In fact, i find my MS-3 better than my NAOS 7000. Using both on 1000dpi. I simply dont feel that urban-legend-category acceleration, it seems to move exactly as good as the naos. But the MS-3 is better quality, in almost every aspect.
I wonder whether there is a certain amount of cork-sniffing going on. Obviously there is some scientific reasoning behind that cannot be refuted, but I've been using a lazer mouse for over five years now and never once thought, "hmmmm, I suck a gaming and I think it's because my mouse cursor is accelerated." It just doesn't happen. Maybe that's because I have nothing compare it against and my perception is limited, but really I think anything works if you give it time. There are a crap-ton of players who game tremendously well on cheap lazer mice with $10 earbuds and a budget gaming PC, while others need $300 headphones, a $1500 PC and a pro optical mouse.

That's not to say the optical vs lazer war is all about inhaling fairy dust, because there is definitely science behind it, but from my outside perspective as a newcomer to the rat race (pun intended), it seems a little like the words of some are a tad skewed and over-dramatised. The indisputable claim that optical is the only way to go and anything else is crap is quite disconcerting when there are so many pro gamers and enthusiasts using lazer mice. I still have to determine my own opinion. I'll definitely be going optical though, even just to see what all the fuss is about.
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post #514 of 1929
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Dude, it's fine for you to have a personal preference that doesn't reflect the majorities on this side, but the acceleration is not urban myth but measurable and well documented. So just because you might not recognize it doesn't mean others can't.

I would call myself everything but super sensitive in that respect but even I recognize a significantly difference in between a 3310 mouse and my good old G9x.

Also I am a bit astonished by your comment on the build (?) quality.
Would rank my Avior among the best mice I have ever used (which have been a lot over the past years).

Regarding the quality... then you obviously didnt use an MS-3 yet smile.gif
The MS-3 has significatly better shape than the NAOS, while both are aimed to palm grip users. The MS-3 has also a way better coating, more rubber, less slippery, and it also does not get spots from your fingers. The MS-3 has better switches under the buttons too, with every button specifically designed how hard it has to be, and how sensitive it has to be (it also has more buttons) The MS-3's wheel is also quieter, feels better. And of course it has a dpi led, so you know what setting you are on right now.
Then again, i have had absolutely no issues on ANY surfaces with my MS-3, despite its a laser mouse. In fact my naos 7000 failed in the first minute, when i put it on the 1030L's fine side, where i used the MS-3. The pointer stops and skips on it. It also has way too much friction on qck, or the sargas i got with it. I am using it on the control side of the 1030 right now, the rougher surface seems to be better for this sensor.
But gaming wise... they are the same. If i miss a target, its still not because of my mouse smile.gif
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I would like to wait for the G502 because it seems to correct all the personal misgivings I have with the G602, which is the button layout and wireless technology, but it could be four weeks before they arrive over here in the UK, and then I'd have to wait for a few consumer reviews to make sure there are no bugs in the software or the mouse is not a piece of crap that was nothing more than an excellent marketing scheme.

The 502 layout can be problematic depending on your grip. It is really more of a long claw mouse then a palm mouse. If you hold it full palm with your fingertips on the front edge, then you will have issues with your thumb hitting the sniper button. If you hold your mouse in a claw/hybrid claw grip then you will be fine smile.gif I did not have any problems with the sniper button at all, but I did spend my first 15 minutes gaming with it cursing at the DPI UP button that I kept hitting due to the thin LMB. After 20 minutes or so I was fine, and haven't hit it again since. I guess I was used to clicking the outer edge of my LMB or sliding left when I click, after a couple days now I hit it dead center and straight down.

The sensor on it is absolutely amazing though.
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post #516 of 1929
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The 502 layout can be problematic depending on your grip. It is really more of a long claw mouse then a palm mouse. If you hold it full palm with your fingertips on the front edge, then you will have issues with your thumb hitting the sniper button. If you hold your mouse in a claw/hybrid claw grip then you will be fine smile.gif I did not have any problems with the sniper button at all, but I did spend my first 15 minutes gaming with it cursing at the DPI UP button that I kept hitting due to the thin LMB. After 20 minutes or so I was fine, and haven't hit it again since. I guess I was used to clicking the outer edge of my LMB or sliding left when I click, after a couple days now I hit it dead center and straight down.

The sensor on it is absolutely amazing though.
In this chart I would mostly use fingertip grip, but I also use claw depending on various different factors, and palm grip. My arms usually remains stationary and rests on the desk, while my fingers and wrists pivot to move the mouse. I game upon a small space and find this the most practical for that.



By the way, do you mean the G602?
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post #517 of 1929
I also use a fingertip/claw hybrid grip.
So the G502 is 100% useless for me, way to long and the weight is waaaay to much.
Absolute max is 100gram for me, more then It is to much with the grip im using.
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In this chart I would mostly use fingertip grip, but I also use claw depending on various different factors, and palm grip. My arms usually remains stationary and rests on the desk, while my fingers and wrists pivot to move the mouse. I game upon a small space and find this the most practical for that.



By the way, do you mean the G602?

No, i mean the G502.

I would look at where your fingers end on your mouse. If they are way up front near the top edge, then you will most likely have issues with the sniper button. If there is ~1/2" between the tip of your fingers and the front edge of the mouse, you will be fine.
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I wonder whether there is a certain amount of cork-sniffing going on. Obviously there is some scientific reasoning behind that cannot be refuted, but I've been using a lazer mouse for over five years now and never once thought, "hmmmm, I suck a gaming and I think it's because my mouse cursor is accelerated." It just doesn't happen. Maybe that's because I have nothing compare it against and my perception is limited, but really I think anything works if you give it time. There are a crap-ton of players who game tremendously well on cheap lazer mice with $10 earbuds and a budget gaming PC, while others need $300 headphones, a $1500 PC and a pro optical mouse.

Your argument isn't really valid - or to be more precise it's not an argument for laser or against optical at all.

I gamed the majority of the time on laser mice. By itself they are totally fine for me but in comparison to optical mice they just are less precise. That doesn't make me a roxxor pro gamer by any means using a optical mouse nowadays nor does it mean the majority out there playing on cheap ass whatever kind of mice will beat me in most games. Still my personal preference nowadays are optical mice and going back to my G9x from time to time the Avior feel noticeably more direct in control and snappier.

If laser mice would be significantly cheaper you could argument that minor drawbacks in control are out weight by the price difference but since you find solid optical mice also in the low range price segment already there is just little reason to choose an 9500 or 9800 mouse today anymore.
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No, i mean the G502.

I would look at where your fingers end on your mouse. If they are way up front near the top edge, then you will most likely have issues with the sniper button. If there is ~1/2" between the tip of your fingers and the front edge of the mouse, you will be fine.
Oh, so some people already have the 502? I didn't know that.

My fingers on my original Logitech would rest around the mouse wheel position, well away from the end of the buttons. The index finger being shorter than the middle would rest at the middle of the scroll wheel while my middle finger would rest slightly after the scroll wheel. On the Logteich mouse I'm currently borrowing, an M705, with my usual grip the middle finger is on the edge or even off the right click button entirely and my index finger is 1cm from the end, 1cm after the scroll wheel. It's a substantially smaller mouse and I don't find it nearly as comfortable. It's fine for claw grip and sometimes for a hybrid grip, but I can't comfortably maintain either of those positions indefinitely. Like I said above or a page back, I use a variety of techniques; basically whatever is most comfortable and most natural in that particular situation.
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I also use a fingertip/claw hybrid grip.
So the G502 is 100% useless for me, way to long and the weight is waaaay to much.
Absolute max is 100gram for me, more then It is to much with the grip im using.
I'm used to wireless mice, so weight is not that much of an issue for me. I prefer longer mice, something that conforms to the hand but that also allows for a hybrid claw or fingertip grip.
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