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There is no argument about the VSCEL laser thing, it has already been proven that they have inconsistent acceleration. I don't even need to tell you that by guessing, it's there. If you haven't already seen this chart, well, be scared by it because this is exactly how every 9500 and 9800 operates in tracking:



If you can't understand the graph, it basically says you're either getting more or less counts than you should under 1 m/s, and above that with faster swipes you'll be accelerating an indeterminate amount depending on how your hand moved through that swipe, making it literally impossible to be pixel-precise on these sensors on things like CS AWP shots.

This was proven a long, LONG time ago and it's why I never recommend anyone 9500 or 9800 mice for FPS gaming. Don't believe it's still there? Even Mionix says that there is acceleration in the following video:



I don't make this stuff up. I have a computer engineering degree, and we only believe hard data, never speculation. Anyway, I digress.

Should I just make a whole thread about this so I don't have to repeat myself every 5 minutes on this site? lol. Do NOT buy mice using these sensors for any kind of FPS gaming unless you are a very casual player who doesn't care about winning.
Edited by metal571 - 4/12/14 at 2:23pm
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There is no argument about the VSCEL laser thing, it has already been proven that they have inconsistent acceleration. I don't even need to tell you that by guessing, it's there. If you haven't already seen this chart, well, be scared by it because this is exactly how every 9500 and 9800 operates in tracking:



If you can't understand the graph, it basically says you're either getting more or less counts than you should under 1 m/s, and above that with faster swipes you'll be accelerating an indeterminate amount depending on how your hand moved through that swipe, making it literally impossible to be pixel-precise on these sensors on things like CS AWP shots.

This was proven a long, LONG time ago and it's why I never recommend anyone 9500 or 9800 mice for FPS gaming. Don't believe it's still there? Even Mionix says that there is acceleration in the following video:



I don't make this stuff up. I have a computer engineering degree, and we only believe hard data, never speculation. Anyway, I digress.

Should I just make a whole thread about this so I don't have to repeat myself every 5 minutes on this site? lol. Do NOT buy mice using these sensors for any kind of FPS gaming unless you are a very casual player who doesn't care about winning.

Could you please provide more details regarding this?

Also
I think if you train your brain on a certain consistent action where acceleration has no effect it will probably reward you later.
Do not expect your brain to be all pro with optical mice all of the sudden, it will just take a while till it gets used to the consistency of it and then you will start noticing that your aim will be better. Keep in mind that you can have great skill that compensates for bad aim, but having a better aim is always a better experience.
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This is the way I hold my G400, it's something between claw and fingertip grip. The question is: Which mouse will I like more, MIONIX AVIOR or Logitech G502?
http://i.imgur.com/cQOBAJp.jpg (I use right and middle button with middle finger)

I grip my avior in a similar way and I love it. The Logitech G502 looks like it is only comfortable with palm grip so I think the avior would fit you better.
     
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Could you please provide more details regarding this?

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I think if you train your brain on a certain consistent action where acceleration has no effect it will probably reward you later.
Do not expect your brain to be all pro with optical mice all of the sudden, it will just take a while till it gets used to the consistency of it and then you will start noticing that your aim will be better. Keep in mind that you can have great skill that compensates for bad aim, but having a better aim is always a better experience.

I played with optical mice for YEARS before switching to laser, instantly realizing how bad that inconsistency is, and then switching back. My aim is fine; I have 25-30% accuracy in every BF4 round I play in. It doesn't matter how you try to trick your brain into thinking laser is okay to use, it will bite you in the ass.

The test that gives it away in real world usage is an easy one. Just position your crosshair at an exact spot, aiming down the sight, then line up your mouse with the exact edge of your mousepad. Swipe fast to somewhere else on the pad, then bring it slowly back to the original position. Every single time I do this with laser mice the final position is different. And it's not that the spot I end up in is the same, every time it is a different spot that isn't where I started.
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I played with optical mice for YEARS before switching to laser, instantly realizing how bad that inconsistency is, and then switching back. My aim is fine; I have 25-30% accuracy in every BF4 round I play in. It doesn't matter how you try to trick your brain into thinking laser is okay to use, it will bite you in the ass.

The test that gives it away in real world usage is an easy one. Just position your crosshair at an exact spot, aiming down the sight, then line up your mouse with the exact edge of your mousepad. Swipe fast to somewhere else on the pad, then bring it slowly back to the original position. Every single time I do this with laser mice the final position is different. And it's not that the spot I end up in is the same, every time it is a different spot that isn't where I started.
I did similar testing to my DA2013 and notices that it always return to a near point (Didn't really know how to properly do the test though) I will be trying that test later when i get the chance.
Right now i am confused if the G502 is as good as marketed or just bs marketing.
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I did similar testing to my DA2013 and notices that it always return to a near point (Didn't really know how to properly do the test though) I will be trying that test later when i get the chance.
Right now i am confused if the G502 is as good as marketed or just bs marketing.

The DA2013 is an optical, it should have +-0.5% acceleration at max. This is an expected result. The G502 is a completely new sensor and it is using IR LED illumination which qualifies it as an optical sensor. Most people say it has no accel, I guess we'll eventually find out for sure.
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I honestly don't get the argument at all. Why would you take a mouse that has even the slightest inconsistency in performance if you can get a good optical mouse for the same price - or even less.
There's such a multitude of great optical mice available in the mean time that I can't see anyone not being able to find something that fits in shape, size and weight and carries an optical sensor.
post #538 of 1929
Well in the end, Get_RiGhT will own all of us with his Xai laser mice. xD
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Well in the end, Get_RiGhT will own all of us with his Xai laser mice. xD

True, but he would own us even more if the Xai had a better sensor. thumb.gif
post #540 of 1929
Thats is maybe true, he would have to get used to the perfect tracking first xD
There is some rumors that he went Xai > Rival > back to Xai.
Which is interesting, but its probably more duo to the fact that Rival got issues
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