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Msaa is no where near as effective in Crysis 3 at removing jaggies as compared to Smaa, also its a huge performance hit by comparison compared to Smaa and for what? it doesnt help with any of the vegetation or grass and Crysis 3 is full of those things.

2XSmaa for example looks better than 4XMsaa in Crysis 3 and doesnt take nearly the performance hit of MSAA.

Yup. 8x MSAA is pretty overkill for current generation single GPUs. I don't think it will be anytime soon we see a single GPU to be able to maintain a minimum of 50 fps with 8x MSAA.
2x or 4x SMAA are the best choices currently IMO. They look as good - if not better- than their MSAA counterparts without the same performance penalty.
There is also an Nvidia exclusive mode "4x TXAA" that doesn't have the same IQ of MSAA or SMAA but with 8x MSAA performance hit.
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Yup. 8x MSAA is pretty overkill for current generation single GPUs. I don't think it will be anytime soon we see a single GPU to be able to maintain a minimum of 50 fps with 8x MSAA.
2x or 4x SMAA are the best choices currently IMO. They look as good - if not better- than their MSAA counterparts without the same performance penalty.
There is also an Nvidia exclusive mode "4x TXAA" that doesn't have the same IQ of MSAA or SMAA but with 8x MSAA performance hit.

but, but this ain't BF3 with its meh graphics and 2msaa will be fine. you guys have to realize op is using 1080. using smaa and dipping to the 30s is not normal for the type of hardware op has.

thuban @ 4GHz and 7970 stock, 1080 Very High and 4MSAA . . .



@op, like i suggested . . . oc your cpu at least 4.3GHz to feed the 780.
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but, but this ain't BF3 with its meh graphics and 2msaa will be fine. you guys have to realize op is using 1080. using smaa and dipping to the 30s is not normal for the type of hardware op has.

thuban @ 4GHz and 7970 stock, 1080 Very High and 4MSAA . . .



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A stock 7970 is definitely not enough to have a smooth framerate with constant 30 fps + with 4x MSAA. Using my current system with a 7950 @ 1175/1600 and 4x MSAA and in that same area I had dips to to the high 20 fps when things go hectic which is unplayable. I don't know if you use fraps with the 7970 at stock, but it is not enough to hold playable framerate with 4x MSAA. Also 8x MSAA just kills the 7950 or 7970. Probably he will get a few fps after CPU OC but I don't think it will magically increase his fps from 37 fps to 60 or 70 fps. Crysis 3 is that demanding...
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A stock 7970 is definitely not enough to have a smooth framerate with constant 30 fps + with 4x MSAA. Using my current system with a 7950 @ 1175/1600 and 4x MSAA and in that same area I had dips to to the high 20 fps when things go hectic which is unplayable. I don't know if you use fraps with the 7970 at stock, but it is not enough to hold playable framerate with 4x MSAA. Also 8x MSAA just kills the 7950 or 7970. Probably he will get a few fps after CPU OC but I don't think it will magically increase his fps from 37 fps to 60 or 70 fps. Crysis 3 is that demanding...

have you played C3? it is like BF4 that even if the fps dips to the 30s(high 30s) it stays smooth and unlike BF3 where keeping the minimum fps around 50 is pretty much a must. i played that with a thuban at 4GHz and a stock 7970 smoothly. yah, i tried 8msaa and can't win matches. but the point is, op has the hardware and should not dip to the 30s with those settings.

Again, consider what the op has.
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have you played C3? it is like BF4 that even if the fps dips to the 30s(high 30s) it stays smooth and unlike BF3 where keeping the minimum fps around 50 is pretty much a must. i played that with a thuban at 4GHz and a stock 7970 smoothly. yah, i tried 8msaa and can't win matches. but the point is, op has the hardware and should not dip to the 30s with those settings.

I understand that smile.gif. Some people find 30 fps very playable and you are one of them, i wholeheartedly agree with you however the only problem is the inconstant framerate issue is very severe in Crysis 3. Like jumping from 100 to 30 fps depending on the view which make the game very unplayable for me with my old 7950. So I had to use 1x SMAA to have more constant minimums and averages.
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I can't wrap my head around someone who would rather give up frame rate just because they can say they use MSAA, this method is Crysis 3 is broken, totally useless, huge performance hit for half baked AA. It's been talked about and proven that SMAA is the way to go with this game
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Calm down guys please...
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^^^Yes, cpu bump was my thinking in my first post too, that's why I asked hime about the cpu usage. Crysis 3 MAJORLY benefits from cpu usage. That's why using the "Windows Timer Fix" helps with this game alot and can help stabilize framerate
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2x or 4x SMAA are the best choices currently IMO. They look as good - if not better- than their MSAA counterparts without the same performance penalty.
There is also an Nvidia exclusive mode "4x TXAA" that doesn't have the same IQ of MSAA or SMAA but with 8x MSAA performance hit.



In crysis 3 yes, 4XSMAA is better looking than 8XMSAA and without the performance hit. It addresses the jaggies on the alpha textures better and also affects some of the shaders as well which MSAA completely misses in Crysis 3.
Edited by Niberius - 3/30/14 at 10:22am
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I can't wrap my head around someone who would rather give up frame rate just because they can say they use MSAA, this method is Crysis 3 is broken, totally useless, huge performance hit for half baked AA. It's been talked about and proven that SMAA is the way to go with this game

if the game stays smooth and gorgeous . . . what perfromance hit? if you can win matches, then what's the problem with maxing out the game. if you think smaa will work, then a cheaper 760 will be ideal than a 780.

xbox will work, too.

edit: tbh, i never thought of or never tried smaa. i'll check it out.
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