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I didn't realize I wanted one of those until right now...lol.
 
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post #162 of 610
jeeze man it keeps getting better and better

i cant wait to see this finished
post #163 of 610
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Twinsees - Todays update seems like a repeat of yesterday rolleyes.gif
Because in a way it is I suppose.

Completed the wiring on the second switch and gauge.

This is how the first one looked before I had to push the cables over because of the pesky radiator.
I'll have to admit the very first time I test fitted I had the cooler pack the wrong way around - upside down and back to front so the chambers were at the rear biggrin.gif
That wasn't as intended and not how planned for the loop, a little PSU might be in the way tongue.gif



Here's the wiring coming from PSU to the switches / gauges & going back to the plug.



A a couple of better shots of the front - will need a little silicone later on to secure and keep straight.



With a little help from the cable department - oh wait that's me.
2 x 12v circuits on a 4 pin molex and we can give 2 fans some juice for testing the switches & gauges


Edited by fast_fate - 5/17/14 at 5:22am
post #164 of 610
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I have multi meter tested at the plug where things plug into and voltage reads 12.1v.
So these gauges are super accurate - but around 1% is acceptable I suppose.

EDIT - are NOT super accurate
Edited by fast_fate - 5/18/14 at 7:42am
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Elaborate on the reason for the swtiches for me. If I'm following the wiring correctly, you will still have to have either the motherboard powered on....or the PS_ON and Ground shorted, .....to get power to the switch, and ultimately the pumps. Is that correct?

I think the idea of being able to power on the pumps separately from the system with the same PSU is an awesome idea. But you'll still have to short the PSU to get it to work, right? I'm wondering if you could splice the PS_On and a ground and run those to the same swtich, so that whenever the switch is flipped on, it shorts the PSU and connects the pump circuit. Yes?

I might be missing something though....

All the cable management and sleeving is absolutely first class by the way. Loving this build....
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Elaborate on the reason for the swtiches for me. If I'm following the wiring correctly, you will still have to have either the motherboard powered on....or the PS_ON and Ground shorted, .....to get power to the switch, and ultimately the pumps. Is that correct?

I think the idea of being able to power on the pumps separately from the system with the same PSU is an awesome idea. But you'll still have to short the PSU to get it to work, right? I'm wondering if you could splice the PS_On and a ground and run those to the same swtich, so that whenever the switch is flipped on, it shorts the PSU and connects the pump circuit. Yes?

I might be missing something though....

All the cable management and sleeving is absolutely first class by the way. Loving this build....


Yeah, you're correct about the PSU short or mobo on for the switches

You might be on to an absolute winner with the Splicing into the PS_On circuit for the pumps.
I'm going to test that theory right now and I'll report back.
I see no reason why it won't work.
And it takes it to the next level, being able to keep circulating even when the system is off.
If it succeeds which I'm sure it will.....see next paragraph...fans also probably.

My original with the switches was for testing stuff out.
at first it was for fans on the cooler packs, which they will still have, one each for the ped and roof cooler packs.
Turn one set of fans off and see how temps were affected.
Turn one set of fans off when not gaming / benching.

I've got the two peds cooler packs running at the moment off one switch / meter.
6 x GT's & 6 x Alpha e-Loops 11.9v @ 1.6 amps = 13.7 watts

Then I thought why not do it for the pumps also.
How is flow affected with one pump off, which pump is stronger.
Is two pumps even needed.

I wanted the gauges with amps because I'm still running Aquaero 5 and because their lower amp capacity I wanted to see what the 12 fan cooler packs were drawing.

Get back real soon about the PS_on thing.
I'm excited about this - Thanks for the input, awsome thumb.gif

Oh, and your latest PPPP pump stand looks great wink.gif
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Well I don't profess to be any electronics expert, that's for sure.
But I don't think the PS_on and common circuit likes any voltage whatsoever.
I have a 24 pin Y splitter and used that along with few made up cables.
With a normal PS-on jumper plug fitted on one Y, I checked the other Y 's PS_on with multi meter - nothing, no reading what-so-ever.
Switched Y's over same thing.

Anyone shed any light on this, PS-on no voltage but a loop that completes a circuit inside the PSU ??

Now I haven't cut the return PSU common line to complete the PS-on jump at this stage (they're the only continuous wires I think)
Don't really want to cut that / them until I'm sure that's what needs to be done redface.gif
I was grabbing a common from various other places but each time tripped the PSU.
I had the "green" PS_on wire incoming to the power out side of the switch.


It's getting late (3am) and my brain won't work any more.
Might quickly make up a super short extension to put on psu side to grab the common return there (y Split going into 1 at the psu)
After that I'm outa ideas for today / yesterday tongue.gif
I'ld guess that the amps part of the meter and how it's wired is messing me around.

If that don't work and relays or other such is involved - I'll have to think about it before committing.
So any input would be great at this stage tongue.gif

The other concern is that if that return common does work then we create complete circuits everywhere that's plugged in.

Somehow the 5v standby power needs to be implemented right ?? so all other hardware not controlled by the switches don't get power all then time when system not running, BUT switches are on, assuming we get that far redface.gif


EDIT - Nope, I tried.
and I like the idea, but how to implement it ??
Edited by fast_fate - 5/17/14 at 1:29pm
post #168 of 610
You might be right about having voltage on the PS_ON circuit messing it up. I have no doubt you could do it if you closed the PS_ON / ground circuit with it's own separate switch. But I hadn't thought it through completely....and I guess this might actually go ahead and power up the board also if it was handled this way. You might still have to unplug the 24 pin, 8pin, and GPU's if you didn't want any power on the board. So not as clean as I was hoping. But it would still be cleaner than having to jump the PSU. Just flip a switch.

With my BBBB I've always unplugged the PSU's from the wall so that there was no power to anything...and then used a separate external PSU to power just the pumps whenever I had made changes to the loop and wanted to do some leak testing. It's a hassle. Just trying to think of an easier way. I'll be watching to see what you do. I'll keep thinking and try something with mine also.

Ideally....I'd like to be able to not unplug anything....while ensuring that there is nothing powered up on the board.....while still being able to power up just the pumps when I want to. All from the same PSU.
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You might be right about having voltage on the PS_ON circuit messing it up. I have no doubt you could do it if you closed the PS_ON / ground circuit with it's own separate switch. But I hadn't thought it through completely....and I guess this might actually go ahead and power up the board also if it was handled this way. You might still have to unplug the 24 pin, 8pin, and GPU's if you didn't want any power on the board. So not as clean as I was hoping. But it would still be cleaner than having to jump the PSU. Just flip a switch.

With my BBBB I've always unplugged the PSU's from the wall so that there was no power to anything...and then used a separate external PSU to power just the pumps whenever I had made changes to the loop and wanted to do some leak testing. It's a hassle. Just trying to think of an easier way. I'll be watching to see what you do. I'll keep thinking and try something with mine also.

Ideally....I'd like to be able to not unplug anything....while ensuring that there is nothing powered up on the board.....while still being able to power up just the pumps when I want to. All from the same PSU.

Yes - that would be ideal, but atm I don't know if it's possible.
Yes - a separate switch does work, but of course provides power everywhere else also.
Separate PSU for commissioning work is the only way.
My switch stuff was for testing stuff out (playing around) while system was up & running to having readings on pump/fan variables and impacts on component and loop temps / flow.

I like what I'm doing with it think I'll find it usefull (for a short while anyway) with no long term downside.
I like your idea better but can't make it work - no doubt once wiring is completed the info will pop up that will explain how it can be done rolleyes.gif
If I had to guess, if it's at all possible, it may involve some tinkering inside the PSU - the info source would have to be real good and verifyable for me to even consider doing that tongue.gif
post #170 of 610
On the topic of the switches to power up the psu, did you guys see how the gigabyte z97 boards have the little button with the lightening bolt on it that enables the psu but not the board? The oems are putting out some neato stuff too.
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