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The boost in games is a really nice surprise! Battlefield 4 is flying! I play on all low (competitive player) and this thing is plowing through that game easily!
The weird thing is, I actually got a nice boost in Skyrim aswell.. Dont ask me to explain it because I couldn't, but I gained about 5-15 frames.
BF4 can use all of the cores you throw at it. It likes running on Vishera a lot.

If you've gained in Skyrim, it's probably because it's also been able to utilize the extra cores. I'm surprised it doesn't actually run better on the 965, though. Whoever coded Skyrim chose to do so using x87 floating-point calls rather than SSE, which is bad for Vishera because FX chips don't decode x87 calls in hardware anymore. Phenom II still does and so do Intel chips. The additional execution cores must be able to compensate for the extra overhead from the ALU having to handle the x87 code.
     
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So? Can your Thuban do 5.17Ghz to keep up with my FX?

Your insecurities are now blatantly obvious. Your argument against my proposed testing methodology was never about its validity. It wouldn't matter how rational a test I propose. Any threat to the pedestal you have created in your mind for your purchase decision must be destroyed at any cost. You're defending "YOUR" chip for the sake of defending it, rationalism be danged. I should not have wasted my time. Lesson learned.
     
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Oh the drama~ tiredsmiley.gif
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sorry.

HERE is the result.

FX @ 3.8 Ghz beaten by Phenom II @ 3.8 Ghz in the PHYSICS catagory by 600 points on the same system.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1820306/fs/1449402
why you use 950mhz gpu clock with fx 8320 and 1100mhz with x6?tongue.gif
The x6 wins in physics but what about Graphics Score?
8320 + 7950 950mhz = 7689
x6 + 7950 1100mhz =7605
the x6 is bottlenecking the 7950
Edited by fabiovtec - 3/8/14 at 5:07am
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If you've gained in Skyrim, it's probably because it's also been able to utilize the extra cores. I'm surprised it doesn't actually run better on the 965, though. Whoever coded Skyrim chose to do so using x87 floating-point calls rather than SSE, which is bad for Vishera because FX chips don't decode x87 calls in hardware anymore. Phenom II still does and so do Intel chips. The additional execution cores must be able to compensate for the extra overhead from the ALU having to handle the x87 code.
Yes, you can choose to assign specific work threads for AI, rendering, animations, and general working threads to specific core numbers in the skyrim config files. My modded skyrim utilizes all 6 cores after spreading out the assignments that way. AI tends to be the biggest load the game generates. Knowing how to configure the games you play makes more of a difference than just accepting the general rule of thumbs (such as Skyrim running bad on AMD or is poorly multithreaded). The game does a decent job at it if you know how to talk to it. The same is probably true of a lot more games than people realize.
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Your insecurities are now blatantly obvious. Your argument against my proposed testing methodology was never about its validity. It wouldn't matter how rational a test I propose. Any threat to the pedestal you have created in your mind for your purchase decision must be destroyed at any cost. You're defending "YOUR" chip for the sake of defending it, rationalism be danged. I should not have wasted my time. Lesson learned.
Actually, I am going to have to side with Kyad here. He is no slouch with the FX and WHAT IT CAN DO. And the point which if you posted the whole post was in fact a point that in order to match his, rather topple his FX the phenom/thuban would have to be clocked to 5.17Ghz. And that point brings up the most common fact and understanding: 24/7 max OC on those was ion the 4.4-4.5Ghz with 4.2Ghz being more common. Fact is no matter how you stack it, here on OCN it will always be avg potential pitted against one another not clock to clock. Though I am sure you are aware Kyad concedes that clock to clock phenom/thuban wins single core, but that argument is grossly invalid when you take stock to stock and where most are OCed to.
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So? Can your Thuban do 5.17Ghz to keep up with my FX?

IPC is only one part of the measurement of performance. The other part is the speed the CPU runs at, and in the case of multi-threaded workloads, the number of cores as well. Thuban has a very slightly better IPC, but Vishera has more cores and absolutely blows Thuban out of the water in speed.
Indeed it can biggrin.gif











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Yes, you can choose to assign specific work threads for AI, rendering, animations, and general working threads to specific core numbers in the skyrim config files. My modded skyrim utilizes all 6 cores after spreading out the assignments that way. AI tends to be the biggest load the game generates. Knowing how to configure the games you play makes more of a difference than just accepting the general rule of thumbs (such as Skyrim running bad on AMD or is poorly multithreaded). The game does a decent job at it if you know how to talk to it. The same is probably true of a lot more games than people realize.
Had to rep you on this one. Actually should have done this:
^^^ THIS A 1000 Times. + 1e9 rep.
Yeah I think that captures the essence of it. This is the exact same argument I use against benchmarks by the way. This is OCN, and we aint no plug and play group.
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Indeed it can biggrin.gif









So lets show extreme cooling and claim everyday clocks. way to keep it to a reasonable discussion. one word: INVALID.
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

So? Can your Thuban do 5.17Ghz to keep up with my FX?

IPC is only one part of the measurement of performance. The other part is the speed the CPU runs at, and in the case of multi-threaded workloads, the number of cores as well. Thuban has a very slightly better IPC, but Vishera has more cores and absolutely blows Thuban out of the water in speed.
Indeed it can biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)









ph34r-smiley.gif

Niiiiiice. Although I suspect you cheated a little bit, I'm only on water. It isn't even chilled. wink.gif

Now lets see...

Cinebench 11.5: Tied with most 8350s at 5.2ish.

Cinebench R15: You're only at 4.8Ghz, but at 5.16 I get 795. Others break 800. At 4.8 I get 745, but I didn't bother tuning anything. Or even shutting off other programs.

SuperPi: Not even going to bother, it's x87. I understand benchers, especially ones who compete on HWBot care, but that's the only place it matters and it's been that way for over 5 years now.

UnRar-Crack: Even at 4.8 my SSE2/r 4-thread score is very close to yours, and I continue to climb to 1513 due to cores and instruction sets, even with less IPC. Again I didn't bother closing anything for the test.


Does this test seriously not do 6 cores? Or does it only do them for 6-core chips? It also really sucks at trying to figure out clock speed, I'm not running at 6.6Ghz. tongue.gif

wPrime: Still not bothering with x87 code.
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So lets show extreme cooling and claim everyday clocks. way to keep it to a reasonable discussion. one word: INVALID.

What? I don't exactly run 5.17Ghz daily either (Though I could. ninja.gif ), he's just running his Ph II at those speeds for me, It's fine.
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