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Really, they should have probably kept making X4 Deneb and X6 Thubans for a while longer and then released what became Piledriver as the first-gen FX, but I imagine they were under pressure from stockholders to release a product that they'd been developing for a very long time. If the FX-8350 had directly succeeded the 1100T, AMD wouldn't have caught all the flak because the 8350 does perform better overall.

I agree, I wonder if they just had to ship them because of a GlobalFoundries take or pay kind of deal.
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He's got a pair of 7870s. Your 770 is a better and more expensive single GPU. That's probably the difference. An octocore FX and a 7870 (even two of them) might not drive that game as well as a fast Phenom II X4 and a 770. Or it could be that his idea of acceptable performance and yours aren't the same. Some people will accept as low as 30 fps, others insist on at least 60.

I think 2 7870s outperform my 770. And what do you mean by idea of acceptable performance? Constant 60fps and some mild dips isnt "good"?
    
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I would think they would be too, but there are glitches with dual-GPU setups, and I think I'd rather have one 770 than two 7870's even if the 7870's were faster most of the time. Sometimes raw power isn't everything. And he did say that some dips to 35-40 fps on another game were annoying to him; that wouldn't bother a lot of people.

Not criticizing anyone here, just saying that what's acceptable to some is not to others. If I play something, which I only do rarely these days, I'll play at 30 fps and it doesn't bug me. But there are people who wouldn't touch my rig to play a game because that's not acceptable to them. I know some people who don't want to play at 60.
     
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I think 2 7870s outperform my 770. And what do you mean by idea of acceptable performance? Constant 60fps and some mild dips isnt "good"?

2 7870 XT's (which are cut down HD 7950's) definitely outperform a single 770, especially in BF4. I averaged 80+ fps on virtually every map @ 1920x1200 and ultra settings (4xMSAA too). That card setup is a beast. HOWEVER, I actually just gave both of those cards to my Wife and have a GTX 780 in shipping that should be here on Monday.

My experience with the Phenom II X4 was that the framerate was very stuttery in BF4. It was painful to play after playing BF4 on both an FX 8320 and an i5 3570k, both of which provided very smooth experiences. Even BF3 is much quicker on the FX 8320, regardless of GPU setup (I tested an HD 5870, single HD 7870 XT, and 2 HD 7870 XT's)

It could have something to do with the motherboard (used a 990 FX Saberkitty), but I'm not entirely sure. I do know that the FX 8320 was far more enjoyable, though.



And for reference, anything below about 45 FPS in BF3/BF4 is unacceptable to me. Fortunately, that's not really an issue on my setup. thumb.gif
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Has me curious enough to want to go buy a Kill-a-watt and do some testing of my own...

You ought to buy the Kill-A-Watt for other reasons too. Its great measuring tool to have for about $17 on sale. smile.gif
    
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Really, they should have probably kept making X4 Deneb and X6 Thubans for a while longer and then released what became Piledriver as the first-gen FX, but I imagine they were under pressure from stockholders to release a product that they'd been developing for a very long time. If the FX-8350 had directly succeeded the 1100T, AMD wouldn't have caught all the flak because the 8350 does perform better overall.

I agree wholeheartedly, but live and learn. A Deneb/Thuban transition directly to PD would have at least been seen as positive forward evolutionary progress. The whole BD debacle was unfortunate all around, just like Netburst was for Intel. Remember those 400-500 watt Pentium D's? Yeeesh.
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They fetch more money because they are scarce.

Right, but why are they scarce? It's not because of original limited production; it's because they are still in high demand. Illustrating my point, as irony would have it, over the past 36 hours I simultaneously sold my 1055T for a number I couldn't refuse, and found a new 8320 for a number I also couldn't refuse, but the amount I got for the 1055T is more than double what I paid for the 8320. So now I have to decide whether to make a new rig around the 8320, or use this 3570k I have staring at me.
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I appreciate your skepticism.

Has me curious enough to want to go buy a Kill-a-watt and do some testing of my own... If only I could find someone with a thuban who could run some of the same standardized benchmarks that I can under linux mint, compare power consumption results, OCed vs OCed, finely tuned vs finely tuned etc .... poke.gif

If my 1055T hadn't of randomly sold (had been listed for sale at a price I was extremely doubtful most would pay), I would have suited up, done my best Barney Stinson impression and said " challenge accepted!!!" But alas, it seems it is not meant to be....sad-smiley-002.gif It's going to be strange not having an X6 anymore.
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oh phooey! I was totally looking forward to having a little showdown. boxing3.gif


Hoping the best for your 8320 being a gem in hiding.
     
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Me too, me too. I'll see if I can pull up some old benchies from my previous hard drive archive. On the other hand, my brother has a very good X3 720 unlocked to a quad @ 3.8. I'll see if he's game to set up a linux partition. I'm very hopeful that this 8320 can come very close to 5 GHz; I've decided to go with it over the 3570k, and have a Zalman CNPS14X waiting for duty.
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Me too, me too. I'll see if I can pull up some old benchies from my previous hard drive archive. On the other hand, my brother has a very good X3 720 unlocked to a quad @ 3.8. I'll see if he's game to set up a linux partition. I'm very hopeful that this 8320 can come very close to 5 GHz; I've decided to go with it over the 3570k, and have a Zalman CNPS14X waiting for duty.

My chip can only do about 4.5 before it throws in the towel. I wish I knew that before I spent 80 bucks on a h80i and 180 on a (later returned) Sabertooth motherboard.
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btupsx,

I'd probably want to try to find a way to do a test thuban-vs-fx-63XX. The 720 is an old C2 stepping chip, and unlocking would hurt compute efficiency in most cases. I don't think it would be representative of the "best" compute efficiency that Phenom II had to offer and as such wouldn't feel it a very good matchup. Thanks for the consideration though wink.gif
     
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