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PC for Videoediting to work with Adobe Premiere, After Effects CC and DaVinci Resolve

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#1 ·
Hi guys,

I try to build my first PC. I need it for videoediting for projects up to 4k.
This is what I have so far : http://pcpartpicker.com/p/30ZOB
But it's a little bit to pricy in my opinion. I started planning this diy-PC because I thought the new Mac Pros are too expensive. But now I would pay nearly the same price,,,
Do you think I need the GTX Titan or could I go with another (cheaper) GPU that works fine too with this big amount of data in 4k? Or could/should I change other parts? Or is this PC so good balanced that I have to spend this money but get a lot for it, more than with a Mac Pro for 4000?
 
#2 ·
Is there any particular reason you've chosen to go with the Titan Black over a similar priced card in the Quadro range?
If it's not for gaming, you will probably find that the Quadro series offer much better performance for workstations than the GTX series cards do; especially when you're looking at something that high end as they dollars for performance really start to fade away up the top of the scale...
 
#3 ·
Yes, I read a lot of statements like this: "nVidia Quadro cards are a different story. The simple reason is that all Quadro cards are way overpriced and underperforming in comparison to the GeForce cards. The ONLY reason one may choose a Quadro card over a GeForce card is when 10 bit output to a costly 10 bit monitor is required."
and I don't want to spend more money than necessary.
And many people say that only 3D-programs have real benefits of Quadros.
 
#4 ·
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Originally Posted by aljbaba View Post

And many people say that only 3D-programs have real benefits of Quadros.
This is mostly the case yes. I can't say I've ever given a Quadro card full use myself, but I can say there is good reason that Workstation builds will generally sport a Quadro as opposed to GeForce, because the application for that case yields a better bang for buck if you will. It very much depends on what programs you are using straight off the bat and what you think you might move on to
 
#5 ·
750 watts is way overkill for one video card

Be Quiet Dark Power Pro P10´s are also way overpriced
 
#6 ·
You don't need to water cool this system and can save money on a good air cooler. See the Air Cooling Forum for good suggestions. Agree with Shilka on the PSU. You can get a really nice Seasonic 650W PSU for almost 1/2 the cost of the one you have on your pick list. Both suggestions will save you over $100!
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#7 ·
Ah ok, I read that it's better to use a PSU with more Watt so that the PSU uses only 50% of its capacity.
"It is a myth that a big PSU uses more electricity than a small PSU. If the system needs 600W to run, a 650W PSU will use 600W and run at 92% of its capacity. A 1200W PSU will draw the same 600W from the wall outlet, but runs at 50% of its capacity. It is comparable to a Formula 1 race with a safety car situation. Bernd Schneider in his Mercedes AMG safety car will run at 92% of its capacity, the Formula 1 cars run at 50% of their capacity."
If aircooling ist the better option I would chose between the be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 or the Noctua NH-D14 SE2011, what do you think?
Do you think the Titan is OP and I should better go with a GTX 680 4GB version? (I need 4GB VRAM for DaVinci Resolve) I don't want to pay too much on the GPU if it can't show its full power in this environment
 
#8 ·
This could be an alternative:

-ASUS P9X79-E WS
-Intel Core i7 4930K
-be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 or the Noctua NH-D14 SE2011
-nVidia GTX 680 4GB or the GTX 770 4GB
-Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB (Bootdisk)
-2x2 Seagate 7200.14 2TB in Raid0
plus 1x 2TB Seagate 7200.14 Backup
- and maybe this RAM: Corsair Vengeance Low Profile black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR3-1600
I'm not sure if 2100MHZ is this much better then 1600? And maybe LP because the PCU-Cooler are really big.
 
#9 ·
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Originally Posted by aljbaba View Post

If aircooling ist the better option I would chose between the be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 or the Noctua NH-D14 SE2011, what do you think?
Both are good but pricey. I have an Enermax ETS-40: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214023 and it keeps my CPU cool. Unless you are into hard core gaming you don't need anything more than this. Even video editing won't stress your machine as much. Don't spend money when you don't have to.
 
#10 ·
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Originally Posted by Alan G View Post

Both are good but pricey. I have an Enermax ETS-40: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214023 and it keeps my CPU cool. Unless you are into hard core gaming you don't need anything more than this. Even video editing won't stress your machine as much. Don't spend money when you don't have to.
I thought that this two would be great to keep the CPU cool when overclocking.
 
#11 ·
#12 ·
I know you said you want to edit 4K video, but how much are you actually going to edit? The 4K standard incorporates 10-bit and 12-bit color models, and if you plan on editing in 8-bit color per channel, you're going to be missing a lot of the gamut. There are some colors (oranges, browns, shades of pink/violet) that don't render well with 8-bit color. If you're planning on any "semi-professional" output, you may want to consider a AMD FirePro or NVidia Quadro board.

Disk subsystem performance is going to be important, especially with 4K video, and critically important if you work with ANY uncompressed video. Generally, you want two sets of disks -- source and output. You read from one set of disks, and write to another. That way there's not reading and writing going on with the same device at the same time. Instead of those two Seagate 7200.14 drives in RAID 0 - I'd keep them as single disks and have one 2TB disk partition for source, and one 2TB partition for output.

For "backup" drives, I'd absolutely get an EXTERNAL drive (2, 3, or 4 TB - whatever you think you need) for several reasons. First, if you get a virus, malware, fire, flood, tornado, whatever - having all of your data AND all of your backups in the same PC case is a recipe for major data loss. If the PSU blows up, motherboard disk controller goes awry, etc., you could lose the contents on your primary disks AND backup disk at the same time. An external drive allows you to back up the system, power off then disconnect the external drive, then STORE IT ELSEWHERE. Store it in a different building optimally, at the very least store it in a completely different part of the house. I keep CRITICAL data offsite on my own personal FTP server in my data center (I operate a small ISP). Photos, financial files, tax records, e-mail history, that sort of thing.

Overall the system spec looks good. Don't forget to invest in a good quality monitor, and a color calibration device.

Greg
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

Read these

http://www.overclock.net/t/872013/50-load-myth
http://www.overclock.net/t/711542/on-efficiency

Also you cant use a 4930K on that motherboard unless you update the BIOS first
Ok thank you, so you think I should go with a Seasonic SS 66XP? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151121
I don't know know how much power I will need, I can't find the wattinformations, except the HDDs 3-6W

And yes I read the negative reviews about this Motherboard, but is it really this difficult? I thought I will plug an USB-Stick with the newest update into the MB an everythings fine
 
#14 ·
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Originally Posted by hammong View Post

I know you said you want to edit 4K video, but how much are you actually going to edit? The 4K standard incorporates 10-bit and 12-bit color models, and if you plan on editing in 8-bit color per channel, you're going to be missing a lot of the gamut. There are some colors (oranges, browns, shades of pink/violet) that don't render well with 8-bit color. If you're planning on any "semi-professional" output, you may want to consider a AMD FirePro or NVidia Quadro board.

Disk subsystem performance is going to be important, especially with 4K video, and critically important if you work with ANY uncompressed video. Generally, you want two sets of disks -- source and output. You read from one set of disks, and write to another. That way there's not reading and writing going on with the same device at the same time. Instead of those two Seagate 7200.14 drives in RAID 0 - I'd keep them as single disks and have one 2TB disk partition for source, and one 2TB partition for output.

For "backup" drives, I'd absolutely get an EXTERNAL drive (2, 3, or 4 TB - whatever you think you need) for several reasons. First, if you get a virus, malware, fire, flood, tornado, whatever - having all of your data AND all of your backups in the same PC case is a recipe for major data loss. If the PSU blows up, motherboard disk controller goes awry, etc., you could lose the contents on your primary disks AND backup disk at the same time. An external drive allows you to back up the system, power off then disconnect the external drive, then STORE IT ELSEWHERE. Store it in a different building optimally, at the very least store it in a completely different part of the house. I keep CRITICAL data offsite on my own personal FTP server in my data center (I operate a small ISP). Photos, financial files, tax records, e-mail history, that sort of thing.

Overall the system spec looks good. Don't forget to invest in a good quality monitor, and a color calibration device.

Greg
Wow, that was really helpful! Thank you!

At the moment I only work in HD but with the Panasonic GH4 4K is an option for me too or within reach. I think in 1-1.5 years I have to work with 4k a lot. Until then maybe there will only be 1-2 projects in 4k.
I didn't know that 4k needs 10-12 bits... so should I go with another GPU?

My last idea for the disk-setup was:
1x 250gb ssd (os an d programms)
1x 500gb ssd (previews, media cache) (would this ssd be big enough?)
2x 2tb Raid0 (Media)
1x 3tb (backup and export)

But it's a good hint that it's better to use an external drive for backup. So maybe I will use a 1 tb HDD for export and another external drive instead.

I read a lot good reviews about the ASUS PB298Q, 29" it should be really good for his price.
 
#15 ·
Aljbaba,

GPU:

I don't have reason to believe that the Adobe Suite and Resolve will benefit a from a quadro card from what I have seen. The only thing a quadro card does, is bring custom video drivers to the mix that provide support for proprietary graphics engines found in *some* 3D productivity/creation apps. These days a LOT of these apps are moving towards using OpenGL, DirectX, CUDA, and OpenCL because development is easier on these than trying to stay competitive in a proprietary "engine." I'd be surprised if you couldn't work in 10-12bit color space on the "GTX" cards.. It's an available option on an AMD APU in linux!

Davinci Resolve is written for CUDA and OpenCL, but they seem to favor CUDA. This program appears to benefit powerful GPU, and scales with multiple GPUs to improve processing time.

Adobe CC suite is good on either CUDA or openCL but performance scaling drops off pretty rapidly in most operations so big powerful GPUs have a limited amount of usefulness here. The only part of the CC suite that benefits significantly from a powerful GPU (or multiple powerful GPUs) is encoding.

Since you want to work with 4K video this basically makes the decision for you. You'll want to go Nvidia, as the AMD hardware decoders don't support up to 4K.

I question whether or not the 6GB frame buffer on the Titan would translate to enough benefit to actually beat a GTX780Ti or 2xGTX770-4GB cards at a lower cost to implement. I understand that Davinci can leverage a lot of VRAM but there seem to be a lot of people using 1.5-3GB cards with acceptable results. The 1 x 4GB GTX770 (about half the performance of the Titan, at a third the cost), or a pair in tandem with similar performance at a lower cost, may prove to be a better value.

CPU/RAM:

I'm not particularly fond mixing a tuner build with a workstation build unless the productivity part is inconsequential. If you have deadlines and real work to be done on this machine, then I believe you should abandon the overclocking idea and stick with a Xeon CPUs paired with 1600MT/s RAM speeds so that there is absolutely no question regarding stability or compute accuracy. Build a separate "toy" rig for overclocking. Remember, overclocking is mostly about the sport of overclocking for the sake of it. The performance gains are interesting and fun, but not necessary.

Note: Performance scaling above a triple channel 1600MT/s memory configuration is going to be pretty negligible on a 6 core Ivy for video work. You'll always bottleneck on something else. Using overclocked CPUs and unsupported memory speeds will just open up loopholes for support to jump through should you have problems with the hardware or software.

I recommend the E5-1650V2 and a 4x8GB set of Crucial Ballistix Tactical (1600-8-8-8@1.35V)

Disks:

Highly dependent on whether you are working with RAW or compressed material. This part of the build can be scaled WAY up or down depending on the bitrate you're working with. For video work, SSDs belong in the field on the recorder next to the camera. [ example: Convergent Design recorders ]
On the toaster, big RAID arrays of mechanical drives make more sense. The primary benefits of the SSD for video work in the field are that they are physically robust, compact/light, and (some) can handle the high write speeds required for high quality, or high FPS recording. The access times are not particularly beneficial for this type of work, which is their primary benefit on the desktop. Use an SSD as a boot/application drive, but for cost effectiveness, just use lots of mechanical storage configured in large enough arrays to fit the bandwidth and space requirements of the work. As suggested, you may want to consider separate arrays for read/write operations, especially if you are working in RAW or with other high bit-rate footage.

SSDs don't always deliver their claimed sequential write speeds, often it is lower in the real world, so the benefits vs mechanical are often narrower than they would appear on paper vs mechanical.

WD Red drives have had some really awful trending for reliability. They seem to have been launched with a design defect that caused a very high failure rate. I would not buy into a big RAID configuration of them unless I had confirmation that the "defect" had been solved in all currently shipping units.

RAW 4K 4:4:4 24FPS is nearly 500MB/s. If this is what you're working in, make sure to look-up bandwidth scaling of your mechanical drives across the width of the platter, it may take more than 4 RED drives to guarantee enough minimum bandwidth towards the end of the available space to maintain real-time playback of raw 4K.

Motherboard:

The Asus X79 Deluxe would probably represent the upper end limit for value on such a build. Most of the stuff above this price/size class is going to return very little if any tangible benefit. The Ballistix Tactical memory would look nice on the Deluxe
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#16 ·
Have you looked into refurbished workstations ?

You can get a HP Z800 with 2x a Xeon X5650 and 48GB ECC RAM for around 1000$
(You still need to add harddrive's and GPU)
 
#17 ·
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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

Aljbaba,

GPU:

I don't have reason to believe that the Adobe Suite and Resolve will benefit a from a quadro card from what I have seen. The only thing a quadro card does, is bring custom video drivers to the mix that provide support for proprietary graphics engines found in *some* 3D productivity/creation apps. These days a LOT of these apps are moving towards using OpenGL, DirectX, CUDA, and OpenCL because development is easier on these than trying to stay competitive in a proprietary "engine." I'd be surprised if you couldn't work in 10-12bit color space on the "GTX" cards.. It's an available option on an AMD APU in linux!

Davinci Resolve is written for CUDA and OpenCL, but they seem to favor CUDA. This program appears to benefit powerful GPU, and scales with multiple GPUs to improve processing time.

Adobe CC suite is good on either CUDA or openCL but performance scaling drops off pretty rapidly in most operations so big powerful GPUs have a limited amount of usefulness here. The only part of the CC suite that benefits significantly from a powerful GPU (or multiple powerful GPUs) is encoding.

Since you want to work with 4K video this basically makes the decision for you. You'll want to go Nvidia, as the AMD hardware decoders don't support up to 4K.

I question whether or not the 6GB frame buffer on the Titan would translate to enough benefit to actually beat a GTX780Ti or 2xGTX770-4GB cards at a lower cost to implement. I understand that Davinci can leverage a lot of VRAM but there seem to be a lot of people using 1.5-3GB cards with acceptable results. The 1 x 4GB GTX770 (about half the performance of the Titan, at a third the cost), or a pair in tandem with similar performance at a lower cost, may prove to be a better value.

CPU/RAM:

I'm not particularly fond mixing a tuner build with a workstation build unless the productivity part is inconsequential. If you have deadlines and real work to be done on this machine, then I believe you should abandon the overclocking idea and stick with a Xeon CPUs paired with 1600MT/s RAM speeds so that there is absolutely no question regarding stability or compute accuracy. Build a separate "toy" rig for overclocking. Remember, overclocking is mostly about the sport of overclocking for the sake of it. The performance gains are interesting and fun, but not necessary.

Note: Performance scaling above a triple channel 1600MT/s memory configuration is going to be pretty negligible on a 6 core Ivy for video work. You'll always bottleneck on something else. Using overclocked CPUs and unsupported memory speeds will just open up loopholes for support to jump through should you have problems with the hardware or software.

I recommend the E5-1650V2 and a 4x8GB set of Crucial Ballistix Tactical (1600-8-8-8@1.35V)

Disks:

Highly dependent on whether you are working with RAW or compressed material. This part of the build can be scaled WAY up or down depending on the bitrate you're working with. For video work, SSDs belong in the field on the recorder next to the camera. [ example: Convergent Design recorders ]
On the toaster, big RAID arrays of mechanical drives make more sense. The primary benefits of the SSD for video work in the field are that they are physically robust, compact/light, and (some) can handle the high write speeds required for high quality, or high FPS recording. The access times are not particularly beneficial for this type of work, which is their primary benefit on the desktop. Use an SSD as a boot/application drive, but for cost effectiveness, just use lots of mechanical storage configured in large enough arrays to fit the bandwidth and space requirements of the work. As suggested, you may want to consider separate arrays for read/write operations, especially if you are working in RAW or with other high bit-rate footage.

SSDs don't always deliver their claimed sequential write speeds, often it is lower in the real world, so the benefits vs mechanical are often narrower than they would appear on paper vs mechanical.

WD Red drives have had some really awful trending for reliability. They seem to have been launched with a design defect that caused a very high failure rate. I would not buy into a big RAID configuration of them unless I had confirmation that the "defect" had been solved in all currently shipping units.

RAW 4K 4:4:4 24FPS is nearly 500MB/s. If this is what you're working in, make sure to look-up bandwidth scaling of your mechanical drives across the width of the platter, it may take more than 4 RED drives to guarantee enough minimum bandwidth towards the end of the available space to maintain real-time playback of raw 4K.

Motherboard:

The Asus X79 Deluxe would probably represent the upper end limit for value on such a build. Most of the stuff above this price/size class is going to return very little if any tangible benefit. The Ballistix Tactical memory would look nice on the Deluxe
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Nice answer, thank you!
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I thought about buying a GTX Titan instead of the GTX 770 4GB but the Titan is really expensive and I read a guideline for videoeditors that says that you only should spend 10% of your complete budget on the GPU to keep it balanced (30% on CPU, RAM and MB, 40% on storage and 20% Case etc).

And I the E5-1650V2 could be a nice alternative to the i7 4930k but I couldn't find it boxed, only tray, even Intel shows only the price for the trayversion. And the most people I have been speaken to said that tray has no full guarantee and could be used... and it costs a little bit more than the i7...

I wanted to buy WD reds so thanks for the warning! Are Seagates better?
And is it still possible to set 2x2tb HDDs in Raid 0 with the Asus X79 Deluxe? I thought I would need SATA3 Ports for Raid0 but if not I'm happy to save my money
 
#18 ·
The Deluxe X79 has 8X SATA III ports, 4x SATA II ports, and 2x eSATA III as I understand.

These ports are supported via 3 different controllers. Some are on the X79 chipset, some are on a Marvel controller, and some are on an ASMedia controller.
You should have no problem creating up to 2 separate 4-disk RAID arrays with the built in controllers. One on the 4xSATA II ports of the X79 chipset, and another on the Marvel controllers 4xSATA III ports. Obviously you could always add more controllers. No shortage of PCIE lanes on that system to support more PCIE SATA cards.

Very often there is little benefit in amateur video editing beyond the GPU grunt of something modern with 16ROPs (mostly sub $150 cards). The ways that the GPU is leveraged are often misunderstood, and yes, the CPU strength is still a dominating force in the rendering of transitions, effects, and multi-layered content in most editors. In your particular case, with 4K projects anticipated and the color correction software you're intending to use, you'll get more use out of a "nice" GPU than most right now.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-Professional-GPU-Acceleration-502/

Note that in the 1080P encoding, the scaling basically falls apart above a relatively low end GPU, even on the X79 platform. For reference, the K2000 is the GTX650's quadro brother, and I am not aware of anything that would prevent the GeForce version of the card from giving the same performance in this app as the Quadro. In the 4K encoding, GPU scaling works much better, and there is a tangible benefit all the way up to the Titan. For reference, I would estimate the GTX770-4GB to fall inline next to the W8000 in that particular benchmark.

Superbiiz has the E5: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E5-1650V2

The base clock on the E5 is a little better than the i7, but I understand your concerns regarding support/warranty etc. I guess I would point out that as soon as you overclock the K chip, the support is supposedly "gone" anyway.
 
#19 ·
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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

The Deluxe X79 has 8X SATA III ports, 4x SATA II ports, and 2x eSATA III as I understand.

These ports are supported via 3 different controllers. Some are on the X79 chipset, some are on a Marvel controller, and some are on an ASMedia controller.
You should have no problem creating up to 2 separate 4-disk RAID arrays with the built in controllers. One on the 4xSATA II ports of the X79 chipset, and another on the Marvel controllers 4xSATA III ports. Obviously you could always add more controllers. No shortage of PCIE lanes on that system to support more PCIE SATA cards.

Very often there is little benefit in amateur video editing beyond the GPU grunt of something modern with 16ROPs (mostly sub $150 cards). The ways that the GPU is leveraged are often misunderstood, and yes, the CPU strength is still a dominating force in the rendering of transitions, effects, and multi-layered content in most editors. In your particular case, with 4K projects anticipated and the color correction software you're intending to use, you'll get more use out of a "nice" GPU than most right now.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-Professional-GPU-Acceleration-502/

Note that in the 1080P encoding, the scaling basically falls apart above a relatively low end GPU, even on the X79 platform. For reference, the K2000 is the GTX650's quadro brother, and I am not aware of anything that would prevent the GeForce version of the card from giving the same performance in this app as the Quadro. In the 4K encoding, GPU scaling works much better, and there is a tangible benefit all the way up to the Titan. For reference, I would estimate the GTX770-4GB to fall inline next to the W8000 in that particular benchmark.

Superbiiz has the E5: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E5-1650V2

The base clock on the E5 is a little better than the i7, but I understand your concerns regarding support/warranty etc. I guess I would point out that as soon as you overclock the K chip, the support is supposedly "gone" anyway.
Oh ok, I didn't read the description correctly,,, ok the mainboard sounds fine, I will chose that!

Do I understand that correct? You would support my decision to go with the GTX 770 4GB and would recommend the E5 tray because if I would overclock the i7 I will lose the guarantee anyway?
 
#20 ·
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Originally Posted by aljbaba View Post

Ok thank you, so you think I should go with a Seasonic SS 66XP? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151121
I don't know know how much power I will need, I can't find the wattinformations, except the HDDs 3-6W

And yes I read the negative reviews about this Motherboard, but is it really this difficult? I thought I will plug an USB-Stick with the newest update into the MB an everythings fine
If you are not going SLI/Corssfire all you need is 550 watts
 
#21 ·
I think the GTX770-4GB represents a better value for this application than the Titan, at ~40% of the cost and about ~60-100% of the performance depending on the specific workload. Flagship level performance gets a price premium that isn't very proportional to performance.

I think it's a tossup between the E5 and i7. Whichever makes you feel better
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CPUs are generally the most durable part of a computer unless very aggressively abused with overclocking, so the odds of having a problem with the CPU are rather minuscule either way.

My recommendation would be to select a PSU size large enough to support adding another GTX770 or 2 down the road, in-case you get some larger 4K jobs that are going to have really long correction and encoding times. Furthermore, something with enough connections for a large number of hard drives. It will be difficult to find a 550W PSU with a really good flexible arrangement of SATA power connections. Most only have 4-6 SATA power connections and they are often not arranged in a way that you can easily use all of them anyway. A BIGGER PSU will have much more flexible connection options for powering your drives and GPUs.

A great quality PSU with overhead for that upgrade will only add about $100 to the cost of this build (compared to a great quality ~550W). Diddly squat compared to the price of just about any other component in the machine. The EVGA SuperNova 1KW G2 and P2 are $175 and $200 (respectively) shipped from Superbiiz right now. Either would be a fantastic choice to support up to 3xGPUs and many hard drives.
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

I think the GTX770-4GB represents a better value for this application than the Titan, at ~40% of the cost and about ~60-100% of the performance depending on the specific workload. Flagship level performance gets a price premium that isn't very proportional to performance.

I think it's a tossup between the E5 and i7. Whichever makes you feel better
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CPUs are generally the most durable part of a computer unless very aggressively abused with overclocking, so the odds of having a problem with the CPU are rather minuscule either way.

My recommendation would be to select a PSU size large enough to support adding another GTX770 or 2 down the road, in-case you get some larger 4K jobs that are going to have really long correction and encoding times. Furthermore, something with enough connections for a large number of hard drives. It will be difficult to find a 550W PSU with a really good flexible arrangement of SATA power connections. Most only have 4-6 SATA power connections and they are often not arranged in a way that you can easily use all of them anyway. A BIGGER PSU will have much more flexible connection options for powering your drives and GPUs.

A great quality PSU with overhead for that upgrade will only add about $100 to the cost of this build (compared to a great quality ~550W). Diddly squat compared to the price of just about any other component in the machine. The EVGA SuperNova 1KW G2 and P2 are $175 and $200 (respectively) shipped from Superbiiz right now. Either would be a fantastic choice to support up to 3xGPUs and many hard drives.
On the ASUS-HP they say that Xeon CPUs may not be supported on the X79 Deluxe, do you know what features they could mean? https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/X79DELUXE/#support
 
#23 ·
Do you think now my storagesetup will be work fine?

1x 250gb ssd (os an d programms)
1x 500gb ssd (previews, media cache) (would this ssd be big enough?)
2x 2tb Raid0 (Media)
1x 2tb (export)
1x 3tb external backup

You are really good informed and you're helping me a lot, I really appreciate that.
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by aljbaba View Post

On the ASUS-HP they say that Xeon CPUs may not be supported on the X79 Deluxe, do you know what features they could mean? https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/X79DELUXE/#support
They're fully compatible. There are some features that might not be fully supported though, such as registered memory, 3-DIMMS per channel, etc. The processors will work fine with 2-dimms per channel and quad channel like is supported on X79 though.

Greg
 
#25 ·
Glad to help, it's fun to work through these challenges!

Go back and re-read what that says under the CPU support list for the Asus board: "Some features may not support when installed on X79 series chipsets."
It does NOT say that the E5 will not be supported, only that some features of the E5 may not be supported.

The E5 supports RDIMMs (buffered memory), and as such, could address 256GB of RAM on a supporting server class motherboard and chipset (C600 series, instead of X79).

The X79 platform is limited to the feature-set of the i7 CPUs "made" for it. When an E5 is used on the X79 chipset, whatever "additional" features of the E5 that one might have access to on a C600 chipset, are not usable on the X79. (the only one I am aware of is the RDIMM support, but there may be others? doesn't matter in this case)

Anything that the i7 can do, the E5 can also do (except overclock), the only *limitations* are those imposed on the E5 by the X79 platform. In other-words, if you NEED a particular feature that the E5 has, that the i7 doesn't, then you must put the E5 on a C600 series motherboard to take advantage of it. Asus is just making sure to "cover their butts" here incase someone thinks they are going to be able to put 256GB of memory on that motherboard, and $4000 later Asus is getting a phone call at 2AM with a raging geekmonster who just found out he has $4000 worth of nothing and needs a different motherboard to support it.

I can not evaluate whether or not your storage solution makes sense without knowing more about the media you will work with and the size of the projects. Are you using hardware compression on the recorder or not? What bitrate? What media type are you recording to?
 
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Thank you guys, so everything's fine with a combination of the E5 1650v2 and the X79 Deluxe, great!

@modcod
At the moment I'm working mainly with DSLR-Footage. Most of the files are .MOV. A "normal" project has 30-100GB Footage and the Projectfiles are 1-2GB large. At the moment I'm using a Mac and convert every file into ProRes422 to have a much better workflow.
But in near future I have to deal with RED 4k and BMD RAW-CinemaDNG too.
My storagesolution is inspired by Dave Dugdale, he's working with the same files http://www.learningdslrvideo.com/speed-tests-monster/
 
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