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post #1021 of 1593
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Originally Posted by AMDATI View Post

Yep.

two words for them: buyer's remorse.

two more words: cognitive dissonance

You're on the other side of the same boat actually. tongue.gif
post #1022 of 1593
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Originally Posted by AMDATI View Post

Coming to a conclusion, is not bias. You only see it as bias, because your bias blinds you. I have no brand affiliations, if one truly wins out over the other, I call it like it is.

Kaveri's GPU is NOT a high end GPU, in fact, it's not even a mid range GPU. It's about equivalent to what....the r7 250? The 750ti wipes the floor with it, and that's actually a lower mid range card. In fact, you'd actually be better off with a standalone AMD quad core and a ~$100 GPU, while having a pretty significant boost in performance for about the same price as the 7850k. The only real drawback would be slightly higher power consumption.
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The only replacement for the FX series you will find in 2 years is in the Opteron family....and opteron are primarily designed for more threads but even less core strength in each than the FX series. And you will also still have the problem of not being able to take advantage of all those cores.

When games move up to 8 threads on average, that 12 or 16 core cpu will stil be under utilized (not to mention slower than the FX). And outside of games, the stronger per core power of i7 6-core CPU's will be far more attractive than Opterons too, both in price and performance.
Wow just keep dodging the questions and negating other known facts. Piledriver is the Vishera, Kaveri is Steamroller where we know has higher IPC. Well here is some help and another great help to inform:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-7850k-a8-7600-kaveri,3725.html
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The changes made to Steamroller predominantly improve efficiencies at the front-end of the pipe to minimize stalls and, according to AMD, get single-threaded performance back up to more competitive levels. The L1 instruction cache, previously 64 KB and two-way set associative, is now 96 KB and three-way set associative, reducing misses by 30%. AMD’s engineers similarly went after mispredicted branches by increasing the L2 branch target buffer from 5000 to 10,000 entries and augmenting the branch predictor itself. Instruction scheduling is made 5 to 10% more efficient through a jump to 48 entries (from 40). And company reps say that both integer clusters can access the microcode ROM simultaneously now, where they couldn’t before. Steamroller can issue two stores at once; the Piledriver architecture would only do one. Finally, the load/store units in each integer cluster feature ~20%-larger queues, further benefiting efficiency
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AMD exposes all eight of the discrete processor’s Asynchronous Compute Engines, which independently schedule tasks to the CUs (incidentally, Sony’s PlayStation 4 also boasts eight ACEs). They all share access to a global data share and a 512 KB L2 cache. But they can otherwise operate on their own for efficient multi-tasking. Back when I was digging into Hawaii, the shift from two ACEs in Tahiti to four in Kabini/Temash and then eight didn’t seem imminently necessary. Now that we’re seeing the design exposed on Kaveri, however, its importance to AMD’s HSA is clearer.

Just a piece of the big puzzle. And note this is pre release and before some of the latest drivers that have increased Kaveris performance quite a bit(this is in that post you refused to comment on). Now what we have to consider here is this: Forget the opterons for a moment and look at just Kaveri. So far the performance is pretty good, not out of this world mind you but in its particular market, iGPU/CPU, it is a powerhouse. With a number of applications and software looking to implement HSA by 2015, namely Java, If it gives the performance to software like in some preliminary runs, then we will see a push to implement Kaveri into a higher performance market.

Now take back in the opterons and it becomes possible that some of the architectural improvements in Steamroller and later, excavator then we that use AMD still have potent upgrade possibilities. Potent here means for upgrades over the 8350 we have now, not necessarily that AMD will be besting Intel, that remains to be seen.
post #1023 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post


Wow just keep dodging the questions and negating other known facts.

Yup, definitely the same boat. xD
post #1024 of 1593
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Originally Posted by PsyM4n View Post

You're on the other side of the same boat actually. tongue.gif

yes but I suffer from neither buyers remorse or cognitive dissonance about the subject wink.gif

I'm only on one side because the facts point to that side in virtually every mid-high end usage scenario. If AMD offered better, and not just performance wise, I'd definitely stand by it.
Edited by AMDATI - 3/30/14 at 3:05pm
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post #1025 of 1593
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Man, your hypocrisy is astounding. You complain on every other thread that you absolutely hate benchmarks from other websites, but then all of a sudden, benchmarks from other websites now apply?

This thread wouldn't have gotten nearly as many replies if it weren't for the fact that it is in the AMD CPU section, where people fight tooth and nail to prove their choice is right.



Simple fact is, if a chip right for you, it is right for you. But that doesn't give you the right at all to put your bias in the equation. Half the users in this thread I see fight tooth and nail every thread to prove AMD. The other half, to prove Intel.

How about this: Why don't you actually prove fact? And not proving your opinion. Oh, and don't be hypocritical while doing it too.
You need to stop with the judgmental hypocrisy. I have stated in this thread numerous times my disdain for Benches and reviews alike, I don't trust they put 100% into it. But being I am not allowed to use Users findings even when they provide irrefutable proof, I am left with only what I can find to debate the very same sources they use for their position.
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Why don't you actually prove fact? And not proving your opinion. Oh, and don't be hypocritical while doing it too.
Ok I proved my opinion with an article that says AMD is viable (again the topic of the thread) and a link to stock comparison providing information as to performance levels and architectural and supported software differences to the posters choices. All facts not of my own making and well within the nature of the thread.

Now this leaves me with the question of what you hoped to gain with your post, it added little to nothing to the debate, only your inherent bias to my argument that no part of your post negated or proved false.
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that^ and all the double-triple posting I'm sure doesn't help.
I take my time posting a thorough response and a lot of times others have posted information I wish to respond to. That and I prefer keeping separate posts when I am referring to others posts when they may not be of the same topic or fact.
post #1026 of 1593
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You need to stop with the judgmental hypocrisy. I have stated in this thread numerous times my disdain for Benches and reviews alike, I don't trust they put 100% into it. But being I am not allowed to use Users findings even when they provide irrefutable proof, I am left with only what I can find to debate the very same sources they use for their position.
Ok I proved my opinion with an article that says AMD is viable (again the topic of the thread) and a link to stock comparison providing information as to performance levels and architectural and supported software differences to the posters choices. All facts not of my own making and well within the nature of the thread.

Now this leaves me with the question of what you hoped to gain with your post, it added little to nothing to the debate, only your inherent bias to my argument that no part of your post negated or proved false.
The Intel people prove things with their opinion,say its fact,but once you prove something with facts they'll try to say "Well that's just your opinion". AMD can't be viable nope,it's a cheapo $150 processor,only equates to a 2600k,must be awful.
Lol. IMO,this thread is nothing more than for the Intel people to bash on anyone with a AMD sig trying to say a FX83xx can't be used for mid end gaming(and no a GTX780 isn't mid end),may was well get a lock.
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post #1027 of 1593
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You're on the other side of the same boat actually. tongue.gif

yes but I suffer from neither buyers remorse or cognitive dissonance about the subject wink.gif

I'm only on one side because the facts point to that side in virtually every mid-high end usage scenario.

I have buyer's remorse, the 3770K .
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post #1028 of 1593
Could we at least set a definite line on who's with who? Generalizations are only making things worse. At least have the balls to clearly state something instead of using phrases like "the intel people", "you amd fans", "those aliens" and "that qualcomm/tegra guy".

The thread is full of people running in circles for like 100 of its pages. Well I started having dizziness already and can't take it any more.
post #1029 of 1593
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You need to stop with the judgmental hypocrisy. I have stated in this thread numerous times my disdain for Benches and reviews alike, I don't trust they put 100% into it. But being I am not allowed to use Users findings even when they provide irrefutable proof, I am left with only what I can find to debate the very same sources they use for their position.
Ok I proved my opinion with an article that says AMD is viable (again the topic of the thread) and a link to stock comparison providing information as to performance levels and architectural and supported software differences to the posters choices. All facts not of my own making and well within the nature of the thread.

Now this leaves me with the question of what you hoped to gain with your post, it added little to nothing to the debate, only your inherent bias to my argument that no part of your post negated or proved false.
The Intel people prove things with their opinion,say its fact,but once you prove something with facts they'll try to say "Well that's just your opinion". AMD can't be viable nope,it's a cheapo $150 processor,only equates to a 2600k,must be awful.
Lol. IMO,this thread is nothing more than for the Intel people to bash on anyone with a AMD sig trying to say a FX83xx can't be used for mid end gaming(and no a GTX780 isn't mid end),may was well get a lock.
I think we need also opinion from the other gender?
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The Intel people prove things with their opinion,say its fact,but once you prove something with facts they'll try to say "Well that's just your opinion". AMD can't be viable nope,it's a cheapo $150 processor,only equates to a 2600k,must be awful.
Lol. IMO,this thread is nothing more than for the Intel people to bash on anyone with a AMD sig trying to say a FX83xx can't be used for mid end gaming(and no a GTX780 isn't mid end),may was well get a lock.

Will an FX 8350 even bottleneck a 780 TI? That just doesn't sound right when I say it out loud to myself here behind my keyboard... If it doesn't bottleneck the best consumer GPU out there, then what is the fuss all about in the first place?

I think you are absolutely right. And I am not an AMD fanboy either.

The original topic is about AMD not being good for mid-high end. Now people are talking about upgrade prices and the cost of replacing CPUs every year. That has nothing to do with the original topic.
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