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I love intel, because intel = intelligence. No sane person with a decent budget can consider buying a AMD system for gaming these days. Its not about the cores its about the specific cpu. Just because some games support multiple cores doesnt mean a 6-8 core cpu will perform better. If that was the case we would still be running intel 980x and phenom II x6, which suck in gaming compared to the newer quads (i5 etc). Tell me how good bf3 or bf4 (which support many cores, dont know how many though) perform on a phII x6 compared to a i5 2500k despite less cores. In fact many people owning these old 6 core cpus from intel and amd 2-3 years back upgraded to sandy and ivy quads (i5, i7). The only 6 cores that are good in gaming these days are those heavily OC x5660 and x5650 and these are high end server cpus that has become the hype the last 6 months. What AMD should have done is improving the phenom cpus, making powerful quads the proper way, instead of adding more and more cores thet 90% of the games cant even use, and even if they use those cores the cores are weaker so no performance is gained. Imo even the 8150 performed worse than the phII 965 in some games back then, which proves these gazilion core cpus back then were a failure. AMD needs a superfast quad core performing around 15-25% better than the i5 4670k stock and cost less than the 150 dollars. Then we can speak, untill that AMD has lost in in terms of mid to high end gaming CPUs. Back then when only the i7 920 existed as the only processor supporting ddr3 memory, the phenom II 955/965 were good cpus fot the money, but soon after that AMD lost it toally. Since the i5 2500k got released, there hasnt been any need to buy AMD, because if you bought the i5 2500k 3 years back, you can still run it fine today. I dont even think theres a game that needs a better cpu than the i5 2500k at 4.5ghz or similar, even if you run max graphics. And even if you would want a better cpu, well just buy a used i7 2600k and get that HT to support you in cpu intensive games or if you run CF/SLI with high end cards. Now, if you sit on a am3 or am3+ plattform, what can you upgrade to that match the i7 2600k in terms of performance for the price? Nothing.

As I said before, why do you people think members here suddely started to farm 4-5 years old x5660 and x5650 cpus and old x58 mobos and 3-channel memory? Think about that, the answer lies in it. I bet people will start to farm those old sandy i5 and i7 soon as well because alot of "free" performance can be obtained for a much cheaper price than getting either used or new AMD stuff.

So no, its not about cost these days, you do not get best performance going the AMD route doing a mid end build. Because if you doing a mid end build, your budget will be high enough to afford a 30+ dollars more i5 4670k. Pathetic explenation. Low end builds, hands down AMD wins because then we are speaking about cpus like the fx6300 but then your budget is small enough to play games on medium at 60 fps or less, but I dont know if I would call that a gaming system, more like a office system that you can game on.

AMD no way suitable for mid and high end, unless you only want amd for the lulz or have the opportunity to upgrade cheap for what ever reason.
Edited by PachAz - 3/30/14 at 7:42pm
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Paragraphs please.

and 980X is still quite up there on benches :/
    
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Paragraphs please.

and 980X is still quite up there on benches :/

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All decent hardware review sites use Intel processors for their game benchmarks and reviews of pretty much anything unless they are comparing Intel vs AMD in a specific situation. Even AMD themselves have told reviewers to use Intel processors to show their latest video cards in the best way possible. These two facts alone confirm the statement of this thread, AMD is no longer viable in the mid to high end.

AMD's flagship processor, the 8350 is under $200 because they are clinging to the low end to survive. Their $200+ FX processors are just pre-overclocked 8350s for suckers.

Watching a handful of AMD diehards twist numbers and situations is really saddening. "Benchmarks aren't trustworthy unless AMD matches or wins. Biased forum reviews are more valuable, again, only if their bias is with AMD. AMD "feels" smoother, there is no proof to this but its a thing, i promise."

Seriously, stop it.
post #1075 of 1593
After reading this post and how AMD isn't a viable option anymore for mid to high end systems yet they still are plenty of them sold and owned by many people,could it be that OCN is just a very small group of people in there own little bubble!I im mean really this fight goes on daily( AMD vs Intel) but yet I haven't read any where that AMD is going belly up any time soon.
I don't really think mom or pops amd grandma care which cpu is in there PC and would be satisfied with AMD because it is cheap and does what it suppose to do anyway just some thing that's pretty obvious I think.
post #1076 of 1593
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

All decent hardware review sites use Intel processors for their game benchmarks and reviews of pretty much anything unless they are comparing Intel vs AMD in a specific situation. Even AMD themselves have told reviewers to use Intel processors to show their latest video cards in the best way possible. These two facts alone confirm the statement of this thread, AMD is no longer viable in the mid to high end.

seconded this.
Remember when AMD were hijacking the journalists who attended nVidia conference last year in Canada to show their R9 290 ? They were using Intel processor redface.gif

Just want to share this Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
it took almost 5Ghz of the 8350 to achieve same level of my 3.5GHZ physics score in fire strike rolleyes.gif
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To be honest, the 9xxx have about the same headroom as the haswells.

You know full well that this is completely garbage...

Haswell has about 20-25% OCing headroom. And that's for 24/7 usage, not suicide runs with too much voltage. In order to reach the same OC levels a 9590 (which you keep wanting the review sites to use in benches to mislead people into thinking that the AMD chips actually stand a chance) would have to reach 5.7-5.9GHz. For 24/7 usage. Not possible.

Since most OCNers are gamers, and since the 8350 and the haswell's have about the same amount of OCing potential I'll post this here one more time:



For gaming with current high end GPUs a 4670K is on average 20% faster than a Vishera CPU. And a 4770K is on average 25% faster than a Vishera CPU. Whether that difference is worth it to you is your own decision. But to pretend that the difference is not there is just being in denial and worse, is misleading towards people who have not looked into this as much as we have.



tl;dr 8350 and haswells have about the same OCing headroom. 4670K 20% faster in gaming, 4770K 25% faster in gaming.
 
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All decent hardware review sites use Intel processors for their game benchmarks and reviews of pretty much anything unless they are comparing Intel vs AMD in a specific situation. Even AMD themselves have told reviewers to use Intel processors to show their latest video cards in the best way possible. These two facts alone confirm the statement of this thread, AMD is no longer viable in the mid to high end.

AMD's flagship processor, the 8350 is under $200 because they are clinging to the low end to survive. Their $200+ FX processors are just pre-overclocked 8350s for suckers.

Watching a handful of AMD diehards twist numbers and situations is really saddening. "Benchmarks aren't trustworthy unless AMD matches or wins. Biased forum reviews are more valuable, again, only if their bias is with AMD. AMD "feels" smoother, there is no proof to this but its a thing, i promise."

Seriously, stop it.

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All decent hardware review sites use Intel processors for their game benchmarks and reviews of pretty much anything unless they are comparing Intel vs AMD in a specific situation. Even AMD themselves have told reviewers to use Intel processors to show their latest video cards in the best way possible. These two facts alone confirm the statement of this thread, AMD is no longer viable in the mid to high end.

AMD's flagship processor, the 8350 is under $200 because they are clinging to the low end to survive. Their $200+ FX processors are just pre-overclocked 8350s for suckers.

Watching a handful of AMD diehards twist numbers and situations is really saddening. "Benchmarks aren't trustworthy unless AMD matches or wins. Biased forum reviews are more valuable, again, only if their bias is with AMD. AMD "feels" smoother, there is no proof to this but its a thing, i promise."

Seriously, stop it.

BOOM! Flamebait. Will come back and say that it is fact. Saying things to purposefully incite AMD users is trollin, all day long. Having a price-per-dollar conversation about the merits of AMD vs Intel is different than trolling.

Seriously, stop it.
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This exact thread has shown up time and time again within the past few years. And it ends the exact same way. And it only goes on and on because of a few people that just can't accept reality.

 

Search function is your friend. The sheer fact that this thread has gone on this long is quite ridiculous. I'd throw in a vote that its about time this is locked since it has run its course like every other thread that has gone over the exact same thing.

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