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Originally Posted by AMDATI View Post

That 9590 price is JUST for the processor itself without ANY heatsink or cooling. Nice try though. It's clear you're manipulating the numbers just to feel better about your buy. The actual minimum cost of a 9590 is somewhere around $370 with the liquid cooling kit....which is pretty much necessary to keep the heat down. You could probably cool it without liquid cooling, but the heatsink would probably be big and as expensive if not more than a liquid cooling system anyways.

so to be accurate:

4770: $309
9590: $370

and you actually can't even find the cooling kit version as of late. So you will have to actually find a cooling kit on your own....which will most likely be more expensive than the bundle. in fact, the H60 liquid cooling kit is $50-65 on its own. So if you bought the 9590 right now, the minimum you would be paying is $330 for the processor itself, and 50-65 for the cooler, giving you a minimum grand total of $380.....and that's before taxes, if they're applicable.

a motherboard for the 4770K can go for $35. For a little more, you can get some better features....but even with the cheapest motherboard, it's still ahead of the 9590 in both price and performance.

so you already had an 800w PSU...that's still a cost you paid. Meanwhile, the 4770 can get by with a 400w PSU AND a newer energy hog videocard. So imagine the money you would have saved by buying a lesser wattage PSU. That still counts in the equation whether you want it to or not, because if you could run something for less wattage, you obviously wouldn't of needed an 800w PSU to begin with.

Energy costs matter, because why not go with a faster CPU that's cheaper over all? If you want to say energy costs don't matter.....then by proxy you're saying money doesn't matter.....which raises the question.....why not go with Intel then if you think it is more expensive....unless of course money does matter.....then we're back to square one: the 4770 is faster and cheaper than the 9590. Your argument loses on either front you try to present.


Even talking about pairing a $339.00 at Newegg 4770K with a $35.00 motherboard is extremely dumb. I'm sorry. A 4770K is bought with overclocking in mind. You need a good cooler, a good psu and a stout board to do this. $150 to $225 Z87 motherboards. I could buy a million dollar home and furnish it with items from Goodwill. But I won't. Skimping on a psu, board and cooling with a 4770K is just as dumb as with a 8350 or 9590.
post #112 of 1593
What, that's dumb what's the difference between a 75-100 dollar board and a 150-225 dollar board? SATA ports Sound card? 2 and 4 PCI-E ports? I'm running a 4770K and a GA-Z87P-D3 board my self.. Which isn't a very expensive board..
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post #113 of 1593
No one is arguing that. People are arguing that AMD is very competitive from low end to mid range. They are also competitive in what I call the high end budget area. If you aren't on a budget then they of course lose.
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Originally Posted by chrisjames61 View Post

No one is arguing that. People are arguing that AMD is very competitive from low end to mid range. They are also competitive in what I call the high end budget area. If you aren't on a budget then they of course lose.

You just used it as an argument..
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post #115 of 1593
Why on earth would any one pair up a nearly $350 UNLOCKED processor with $35 motherboard like he was suggesting? I'm not talking about sata ports, sound, pci-e slots. I'm talking about crappy capacitors, unsatisfactory phase power, thin pcb etc.... You get what you pay for.
post #116 of 1593
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You just used it as an argument..

How?
post #117 of 1593
Cinebench 15 enhanced turbo for 3770K to lock all threads at 3.9 under load vs 8350 locked at 4.1 , slight win for the blue team.
Followed by a simulated 9370 and 9590 at stock clocks with the same memory speed and timings. A couple things to note - different ram kits in the rigs and I forgot to set the fsb to stock 2600 on the AMD rig ( it was at 2200 for these runs.) I managed to buy the 9370 for about $220 from newegg and it came with a CLC , the 3770 was $319 from amazon and the 8350 was $189 if you are making price comparisons.
Scoring better at stock clocks for less money , not only would I call that "viable" but preferable wink.gif






I don't have a 4770K for comparison , if someone wants to match the ram timings and lock theirs at max turbo clocks, I'd welcome that information thumb.gif
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post #118 of 1593
Woah, Cinebench R15 scores, finally!

I've been wanting to compare to mine. I think my little Xeon does pretty good.

post #119 of 1593
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Woah, Cinebench R15 scores, finally!

I've been wanting to compare to mine. I think my little Xeon does pretty good.


Nice score, would be nice to have cpu-z info with it.
EDIT: That score is worth a bronze cup on HWBOT , you should submit it with the proper information and score some points for team ocn!
Edited by cssorkinman - 3/2/14 at 2:55pm
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post #120 of 1593
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Originally Posted by hagtek View Post

Woah, Cinebench R15 scores, finally!

I've been wanting to compare to mine. I think my little Xeon does pretty good.

my cpus from Early 2009 stomps yours and are only a bit more inefficient due to the extremely low clocks. ROFLSTOMP!
I said the above just so you can see benchmarks especially Cinebench ones mean nothing once you go into specific workloads.

Multi core scaling in programs is lacking, Integer per core scaling is lacking, the fpu in general is lacking and the L3 and the platform is outdated that is all that is wrong with AMD's x86 high end.
Now we can lock this thread all this does is create hate on good products like AMD's APU and GPU if you want to complain take it to tomshardware or Linus or some other basher community that is so frail of mind.
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