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Yeah like everyone can actually buy 3 780 Tis. You should be looking at Intel's higher end if you're spending that stupid amount of money.

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That would't really count as "mid-high" end, now would it? That would be enthusiast level.

I wasnt the one who brought the 6 core Enthusiast processors into this discussion. All i'm saying is that if you want to try and compare the 9590 against a 4960X in GPU limited situations then why not compare them in SLI and TRI and QUAD?
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I wasnt the one who brought the 6 core Enthusiast processors into this discussion. All i'm saying is that if you want to try and compare the 9590 against a 4960X in GPU limited situations then why not compare them in SLI and TRI and QUAD?
Tech they did use CF 7990
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I wasnt the one who brought the 6 core Enthusiast processors into this discussion. All i'm saying is that if you want to try and compare the 9590 against a 4960X in GPU limited situations then why not compare them in SLI and TRI and QUAD?
Dual midrange cards can expose this.

I moved from fx after adding a 2nd 660ti because of it.

I really think my rig is midrange. 4670k + 660ti sli and the fx6300 @ 5ghz was not getting it done in bf4. The dips were bad.

I would have preferred to stay amd and save $150(cost after selling fx/mobo).

My friends fx6300 at gtx 770 does not have the dips sli added to my setup. With one gpu amd can do "good enough". Multi was not acceptable in some games in my experience.
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Tech they did use CF 7990

Single 7990 isnt that impressive. Would much rather see SLI 780 Ti's or TRI Ti's
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Single 7990 isnt that impressive. Would much rather see SLI 780 Ti's or TRI Ti's

meh. considering a $150 8320 can clock to those speeds, I find it decently impressive that it can keep up with a intel hexa-coe using a 7990 in some games.
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This exact thread has shown up time and time again within the past few years. And it ends the exact same way. And it only goes on and on because of a few people that just can't accept reality.

Totally agree. Pathetic really that some just cant get over the fact that amd cpu's do just fine. I really wish intels offerings weren't so lame. Atleast maybe that way people wouldn't feel a need to come defend them against the all might amd in the all mighty amd forums.

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It's a spreadsheet of 23 most recently released games benched on high end GPUs using the CPUs we are discussing in this thread. And it comes from a reputable site.

There's nothing garbage about it. In fact, when it comes to this discussion topic that might be the most relevant spreadsheet you can have.

And it favors AMD too since it doesn't actually list old titles, just new ones.

If it's a reputable site, then why do they have the Non-Mantle results for Thief and BF4? Again, the problem with all this elementary style benchmark toting is that without a few bad ones to muddy the results, you're simply back at intentionally trying to bash an otherwise good performer.

Simply removing 3 of the results from that horrid graph changes the difference by an outstanding 7% between the i5 and FX.

I personally feel offended that you would think that we're stupid enough to believe that this kind of garbage is representative of anything other than a failed attempt at ballooning the performance gap.
Edited by 2advanced - 3/31/14 at 7:41am
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If it's a reputable site, then why do they have the Non-Mantle results for Thief and BF4? Again, the problem with all this elementary style benchmark toting is that without a few bad ones to muddy the results, you're simply back at intentionally trying to bash an otherwise good performer.

Simply removing 3 of the results from that horrid graph changes the difference by an outstanding 7% between the i5 and FX.

I personally feel offended that you would think that we're stupid enough to believe that this kind of garbage is representative of anything other than a failed attempt at ballooning the performance gap.

They do have mantle results for BF4 and Thief:

http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/thief-mantle-vs-directx-11-test-gpu.html
http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/battlefield-4-multiplayer-mantle-vs-directx-11-test-gpu.html

(these however were obviously made after the games were launched because the mantle patches were late)

Not that it really matters, mantle makes the 4670K win over the 8350 in BF4 instead of losing by a per cent or two. And in Thief the 4670K's advantage closes from 50% to 30%. So in one game mantle made it worse for the 8350 compared to the 4670K and in one it made it better. The average percentages would still be the same give or take a per cent.

Besides it's 23 games, all the latest ones. And it doesn't leave out any of them. So it's by definition not trying to muddy the results or skew the numbers. That spreadsheet is just taking all the games available on that site and averaging the results. It's about as objective as you can get.

But of course, the argument is that we should remove some of the games. I'm sorry but since I like to be objective I included all the games. And as I said in my first post in that thread, that's the advantage of the intel offerings. You don't have to remove any games, they give you consistently good performance.

What do you think we should use for comparisons between the parts?

Only certain games? Is there anything wrong with using all of them? If you want to remove outliers you also have to remove them from the other end of the spectrum...
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Tom's hints a different situation, though.



Granted ,not as strong VGA involved compared to gamegpu.ru but seen the lower framerate being better on the 8350 vs 4770k, there is something interesting going on, especially since the vishera appears to close a huge gap moving to mantle.
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They do have mantle results for BF4 and Thief:

http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/thief-mantle-vs-directx-11-test-gpu.html
http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/battlefield-4-multiplayer-mantle-vs-directx-11-test-gpu.html

(these however were obviously made after the games were launched because the mantle patches were late)

Not that it really matters, mantle makes the 4670K win over the 8350 in BF4 instead of losing by a per cent or two. And in Thief the 4670K's advantage closes from 50% to 30%. So in one game mantle made it worse for the 8350 compared to the 4670K and in one it made it better. The average percentages would still be the same give or take a per cent.

Besides it's 23 games, all the latest ones. And it doesn't leave out any of them. So it's by definition not trying to muddy the results or skew the numbers. That spreadsheet is just taking all the games available on that site and averaging the results. It's about as objective as you can get.

But of course, the argument is that we should remove some of the games. I'm sorry but since I like to be objective I included all the games. And as I said in my first post in that thread, that's the advantage of the intel offerings. You don't have to remove any games, they give you consistently good performance.

What do you think we should use for comparisons between the parts?

Only certain games? Is there anything wrong with using all of them? If you want to remove outliers you also have to remove them from the other end of the spectrum...
how about more than one site. Go ahead, I'll give you a few days to find another anti-AMD set of benches.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thief-mantle-benchmarks,3773.html

Stock for stock, 8350 or a 4170 beats Intel 4770k in Mantle. When high bandwidth demanding GPUs come into effect.

This proves it's not just an API improvements, it's an instruction set improvement. The slowness before was probably implemented by Intel to hold back competition like how the VIA x86 processors were gaining ground on intel and video games back in the earlier days. They must have added error generating subroutines that have an automatic fixing code path on the processor itself back in during dx7-8 era. Basically since the development kits from Intel have only added and not changed I bet that's where the issues lay.
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