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If you are on a phenom II rig with a am3 motherboard why would you choose the fx 8320/8350 anyways? You will still have to buy a new cpu and mobo and in that case the i5 4670k is better as all test have shown, and it will cost as much considering you need a more expensive am3+ 990fx motherboard to be able to clock good. In the intel case, you dont need it since most motherboards as as good in terms of relatively high OCs. I say it again, I had a am3 system with a Phenom II 965, going intel was equal or cheaper than amd during that time. A nobrainer according to me.
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post #1132 of 1593
You don't need 990FX. That's just for more PCI-E lanes @ x16.

There are many inexpensive 970 chipset boards out there. M5A97 EVO, Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P for example. They can handle an overclocked FX-8320 easily.
post #1133 of 1593
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Well, I admit the fx 8320 and 8250 performs good in games, but even that little extra fps you get in majority of games with the i5 4670k makes it worth, the price differance is like what 50 dollars? Í also dont underastand why you went from a i7 ivy to a amd, because the i7 3770k once clocked even beast or equal the performance on the i7 39xx and i7 49xx with one gpu in all games. The i7 3770k is probably the best i7 out there, faster than i7 2600k clock per clock and OC almost as good with good cooling = equal or even better performance than a OC i7 4770k. So no, I dont get your downgrade at all dude.....

Intel has error generating subroutines to decrease the performance of competing processors. Although it's minimal. It's why older Intel processors will run even worse. This was a CEO decision back when VIA and AMD were outperforming them. It's not in the x86 but the various instruction sets used to today designed by Intel. I'm not a conspiracy nut as it might seem but AMD knows that the Instruction sets created by Intel are unfair and to a point they have to reserve some of their processor space for error resolution. We get a glimpse of how much better the cores are when they operate in Mantle using only AMD's instruction sets.
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post #1134 of 1593
If im not wrong, you need the fx990 chipset for best OC results, that has always been the case. Also why talk about the 8320? It OC less than the 8350 to beginn with, and in that case you can might as well buy the i5 4670 non K version and OC it with the turbo boost or what ever option people use to OC non K models....
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If you are on a phenom II rig with a am3 motherboard why would you choose the fx 8320/8350 anyways? You will still have to buy a new cpu and mobo and in that case the i5 4670k is better as all test have shown, and it will cost as much considering you need a more expensive am3+ 990fx motherboard to be able to clock good. In the intel case, you dont need it since most motherboards as as good in terms of relatively high OCs. I say it again, I had a am3 system with a Phenom II 965, going intel was equal or cheaper than amd during that time. A nobrainer according to me.
Your 3570K cost as much as your Phenom II? I haven't found one that cheap,unless you're getting Microcenter deals. A 990FXA-UD3 or a Asus M5A99X evo R2.0 oc's a 8320/8350 to within a few hundred Mhz that a expensive Sabertooth board would,unless you want to squeeze as much Ghz out as possible on either an Intel or an AMD,you have to buy the more expensive board.
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Intel has error generating subroutines to decrease the performance of competing processors. Although it's minimal. It's why older Intel processors will run even worse. This was a CEO decision back when VIA and AMD were outperforming them. It's not in the x86 but the various instruction sets used to today designed by Intel. I'm not a conspiracy nut as it might seem but AMD knows that the Instruction sets created by Intel are unfair and to a point they have to reserve some of their processor space for error resolution. We get a glimpse of how much better the cores are when they operate in Mantle using only AMD's instruction sets.
That has been proven before,but of course those threads get shot down. It's exactly why people love posting benchmarks that skew towards Intel.
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Oh yes definitely, Bulldozer biggrin.gif No honestly a FX-6100 was terrible choice for myself.

The 6300 and 8320 fairs a lot better though. Piledriver is a lot better thank God.
Well because I didn't use it to it's full potential. It wasn't *that* much of an upgrade from my Thuban @ 4.0Ghz.

Bare in mind that I7 cost 3x as much as my Thuban when I bought it. I didn't feel the justification of it; so I sold it.

The FPS difference was minimal and definitely not worth the extra cost in my experience.

EDIT:
I went from a Thuban 1045T @ 4.0Ghz -> I7 3770 -> Athlon 760K -> Now back to Thuban. It does say something.
I had a Thuban 1090T,ran it at 3.8Ghz/2800Mhz NB as it required better cooling for anything more,I then sold it and bought an 8320,at just 8350 spec it plays games just as well,if not better on BF4 64 man servers. Believe it or not,it actually runs cooler than my old 1090T as well But I feel kinda sad for not keeping the 1090T as it handled that OC for years and never overheated on a cheap CM hyper 212+.
How do you feel about the 760K? I have a 5800K as a second machine,it runs really well even though it's technically a dual core CPU.
Edited by Heavy MG - 3/31/14 at 12:35pm
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If im not wrong, you need the fx990 chipset for best OC results, that has always been the case. Also why talk about the 8320? It OC less than the 8350 to beginn with, and in that case you can might as well buy the i5 4670 non K version and OC it with the turbo boost or what ever option people use to OC non K models....

Not true. The only difference between 990FX and 970 is the supported PCI-E lanes within the Northbridge. Other that that there is no real difference. You'd want to be looking at the power delivery (VRMs) to make an OC choice.

The FX-8350 is binned higher yes, but the chances are the 8320 can clock to similar speeds either way. It's luck of the draw.

I personally wouldn't even consider the 8350, the 8320 is much better in terms of price/performance.
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I had a Thuban 1090T,ran it at 3.8Ghz/2800Mhz NB as it required better cooling for anything more,I then sold it and bought an 8320,at just 8350 spec it plays games just as well,if not better on BF4 64 man servers. Believe it or not,it actually runs cooler than my old 1090T as well But I feel kinda sad for not keeping the 1090T as it handled that OC for years and never overheated on a cheap CM hyper 212+.
How do you feel about the 760K? I have a 5800K as a second machine,it runs really well even though it's technically a dual core CPU.

I think that's my main reason for going back to Thuban. I am surprised your 8320 runs cooler biggrin.gif I am a bit gutted because my Thuban ran at 4.3Ghz. My old CPU-Z Validator (source). That thing was amazing frown.gif

And for reference my Thors Hammer handled it nicely (£15/$25).

The 760K to be fair is a surprisingly nice chip. I am very pleased with it considering it's specs. I've got mine overclocked to 4.6Ghz @ 1.428v. It ran Battlefield 3 with my 7870 at Ultra, it does dip into the low 30s though (on 64-player maps). I also run ARMA 3 and it does chug along, but fair do that kicked the lights out of my I7 as well biggrin.gif for the money it's absolutely superb.

I wanted something cheap, and for £60/$100 it fit the bill nicely.
Edited by mikeo01 - 3/31/14 at 12:41pm
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Your 3570K cost as much as your Phenom II? I haven't found one that cheap,unless you're getting Microcenter deals. A 990FXA-UD3 or a Asus M5A99X evo R2.0 oc's a 8320/8350 to within a few hundred Mhz that a expensive Sabertooth board would,unless you want to squeeze as much Ghz out as possible on either an Intel or an AMD,you have to buy the more expensive board.
That has been proven before,but of course those threads get shot down. It's exactly why people love posting benchmarks that skew towards Intel.
I had a Thuban 1090T,ran it at 3.8Ghz/2800Mhz NB as it required better cooling for anything more,I then sold it and bought an 8320,at just 8350 spec it plays games just as well,if not better on BF4 64 man servers. Believe it or not,it actually runs cooler than my old 1090T as well But I feel kinda sad for not keeping the 1090T as it handled that OC for years and never overheated on a cheap CM hyper 212+.
How do you feel about the 760K? I have a 5800K as a second machine,it runs really well even though it's technically a dual core CPU.

It's not a dual core. Just saying. It's a core 1.5, they are 75% because of only one instruction handler per module. Kaveri has two it's more like a four core. Richland and Trinity act like 1.5 true cores per module.
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I think that's my main reason for going back to Thuban. I am surprised your 8320 runs cooler biggrin.gif I am a bit gutted because my Thuban ran at 4.3Ghz. My old CPU-Z Validator (source). That thing was amazing frown.gif

And for reference my Thors Hammer handled it nicely (£15/$25).

The 760K to be fair is a surprisingly nice chip. I am very pleased with it considering it's specs. I've got mine overclocked to 4.6Ghz @ 1.428v. It ran Battlefield 3 with my 7870 at Ultra, it does dip into the low 30s though (on 64-player maps). I also run ARMA 3 and it does chug along, but fair do that kicked the lights out of my I7 as well biggrin.gif for the money it's absolutely superb.

I wanted something cheap, and for £60/$100 it fit the bill nicely.
Your 4.3Ghz oc is really nice. Most Thuban chips don't OC quite that far on just air.
I could get the 1090T to run 4Ghz for a while,but it wasn't 24/7 stable as I needed a better motherboard as well.
It was probably the northbridge OC making it run hot, but I was happy with the increased ram performance and a few more fps. The extra power states on the 8320 help as well,except for APM throttled way too much on my 990fxa. I'm still tinkering with my 8320,I'm not even sure if the NB can be oc'ed on these. My 5800K has a mild OC to 4Ghz, GPU at 1000Mhz and a HD6670,it did run bf4 acceptably for what it is,I should try a gtx770 for the lols.
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It's not a dual core. Just saying. It's a core 1.5, they are 75% because of only one instruction handler per module. Kaveri has two it's more like a four core. Richland and Trinity act like 1.5 true cores per module.
Yes,you're right,sorry. I meant that 2 of them are actual what we know as traditional cores. Kaveri having stronger cores overall has me wishing Steamroller were on AM3+.
Edited by Heavy MG - 3/31/14 at 1:18pm
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If im not wrong, you need the fx990 chipset for best OC results, that has always been the case. Also why talk about the 8320? It OC less than the 8350 to beginn with, and in that case you can might as well buy the i5 4670 non K version and OC it with the turbo boost or what ever option people use to OC non K models....
Most 890FX boards can support FX with a simple BIOS update. Also as far as I am aware most of your top-end 890FX boards like Asus Crosshair IV already had pretty decent power circuits any way. So honestly overclocking on a decent 890FX board should not be more difficult than on a 990FX board theoretically.

Whether that theory is different from actual practice I cannot comment.
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