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If im not wrong, you need the fx990 chipset for best OC results, that has always been the case. Also why talk about the 8320? It OC less than the 8350 to beginn with, and in that case you can might as well buy the i5 4670 non K version and OC it with the turbo boost or what ever option people use to OC non K models....
Most 890FX boards can support FX with a simple BIOS update. Also as far as I am aware most of your top-end 890FX boards like Asus Crosshair IV already had pretty decent power circuits any way. So honestly overclocking on a decent 890FX board should not be more difficult than on a 990FX board theoretically.

Whether that theory is different from actual practice I cannot comment.
I had the Ga-990fxud3 rev 3.0
Asus M5A990FX evo rev 1.0 and now a Asus Sabertooth 990Fx rev 2.0 all together with an AMD FX-4170. With the 2 former mainboard my fsb was only 260ish but with the saberkitty my fsb is 300 mhz!! My cpu is always 4800ish. My ram is 2400ish.
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If im not wrong, you need the fx990 chipset for best OC results, that has always been the case. Also why talk about the 8320? It OC less than the 8350 to beginn with, and in that case you can might as well buy the i5 4670 non K version and OC it with the turbo boost or what ever option people use to OC non K models....
Most 890FX boards can support FX with a simple BIOS update. Also as far as I am aware most of your top-end 890FX boards like Asus Crosshair IV already had pretty decent power circuits any way. So honestly overclocking on a decent 890FX board should not be more difficult than on a 990FX board theoretically.

Whether that theory is different from actual practice I cannot comment.
I had the Ga-990fxud3 rev 3.0
Asus M5A990FX evo rev 1.0 and now a Asus Sabertooth 990Fx rev 2.0 all together with an AMD FX-4170. With the 2 former mainboard my fsb was only 260ish but with the saberkitty my fsb is 300 mhz!! My cpu is always 4800ish. My ram is 2400ish.
990FX-UD3 has a reputation. A bad one. Also REV 1.0 Asus boards as well. But what I was saying is that in theory any decent 890FX board AKA Crosshair IV or MSI 890FX-GD70 OC's the same as 990FX's.
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990FX-UD3 has a reputation. A bad one. Also REV 1.0 Asus boards as well. But what I was saying is that in theory any decent 890FX board AKA Crosshair IV or MSI 890FX-GD70 OC's the same as 990FX's.

Correction: the third revision of the ud3 had vrm issues. Revision four runs quite fine biggrin.gif
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Actually only a few AM3+ boards are considered safe for high wattage processor loads. They are less than 10 and only use 990FX. The list:

All the last revisions of Gigabyte's UD3/5/7 series. (3)

All the last revisions of ASUS' Crosshair and Sabertooth. (2)

Asrock's extreme9 and Fatalities. (3)

MSI's GD80.

Everything else has some sort of flaw that sooner or later kills the vrm at very high loads, so be careful with your overclock if using another board.

Edit: The unmentioned AM3+ ASUS boards should normally be damage free cause of sophisticated protection, but they throttle instead.
Edited by PsyM4n - 3/31/14 at 2:16pm
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Actually only a few AM3+ boards are considered safe for high wattage processor loads. They are less than 10 and only use 990FX. The list:

All the last revisions of Gigabyte's UD3/5/7 series. (3)

All the last revisions of ASUS' Crosshair and Sabertooth. (2)

Asrock's extreme9 and Fatalities. (3)

MSI's GD80.

Everything else has some sort of flaw that sooner or later kills the vrm at very high loads, so be careful with your overclock if using another board.

Edit: The unmentioned AM3+ ASUS boards should normally be damage free cause of sophisticated protection, but they throttle instead.
I am on my second M5A99FX PRO R2.0. First one just would not boot one day. CPU POST LED stayed lit. Sent it in for RMA and turns out it was a BIOS issue. Got shipped a new board and been running for the past 4 or 5 months just fine at 4.8GHz. I will be pushing 5GHz+ shortly once the rest of my GPU bits for my loop arrives.
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I am on my second M5A99FX PRO R2.0. First one just would not boot one day. CPU POST LED stayed lit. Sent it in for RMA and turns out it was a BIOS issue. Got shipped a new board and been running for the past 4 or 5 months just fine at 4.8GHz. I will be pushing 5GHz+ shortly once the rest of my GPU bits for my loop arrives.

I've never had a problem with ASRock for AM3+. They're great! smile.gif Their ITX was pretty crappy. ASUS AM2+/AM3 was pretty crappy.
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All decent hardware review sites use Intel processors for their game benchmarks and reviews of pretty much anything unless they are comparing Intel vs AMD in a specific situation. Even AMD themselves have told reviewers to use Intel processors to show their latest video cards in the best way possible. These two facts alone confirm the statement of this thread, AMD is no longer viable in the mid to high end.

AMD's flagship processor, the 8350 is under $200 because they are clinging to the low end to survive. Their $200+ FX processors are just pre-overclocked 8350s for suckers.

Watching a handful of AMD diehards twist numbers and situations is really saddening. "Benchmarks aren't trustworthy unless AMD matches or wins. Biased forum reviews are more valuable, again, only if their bias is with AMD. AMD "feels" smoother, there is no proof to this but its a thing, i promise."

Seriously, stop it.


They don't compete in the high end. That fact is known. The prices of their cpu's confirm this. Only a moron can't see this. But they compete very well in the low to mid end. At a price many can afford. They sell processors by the millions. Not Intel numbers but they still move a crap ton of product. I guess only to buffoons according to you.
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They don't compete in the high end. That fact is known. The prices of their cpu's confirm this. Only a moron can't see this. But they compete very well in the low to mid end. At a price many can afford. They sell processors by the millions. Not Intel numbers but they still move a crap ton of product. I guess only to buffoons according to you.

That may be true, but doesnt contribute to this thread at all
    
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If im not wrong, you need the fx990 chipset for best OC results, that has always been the case.

Not true. One chipset is no better than the other for OC. The only reason 990FX based boards tend to OC better is because they are enthusiast-class boards that tend to be better made, with more power phases and better VRM's. An 890FX or 970 board with an 8+2 VRM configuration and proper BIOS support for FX processors will OC just as well as a 990FX board will.

The quality of your motherboard is the determining factor, not the chipset it has. The 990FX is only a must-have if you're planning on using more than one video card; a 970 can only do x16/x4 Crossfire, and that's a performance hit over x8/x8.
     
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Im enthusiast and I only use mid range stuff. AMD can be used by enthusiasts as well, how ever it wouldnt be a wise choice to buy anything from AMD now days, if you are making a gaming oriented mid range build, as we have proven here many times. Face it, some of you that bought AMD did make a less clever choice, we all make bad choices some times and hopefully we learn.


Pretty condescending aren't you. Maybe AMD is a bad choice for you but not others? Ever think of that?
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