Originally Posted by Derp
Originally Posted by Durquavian
How about you prove your point and refrain from using words like suckers.
I'm sorry if that offends you but that is exactly what AMD is taking you for. I was wrong before, AMD's flagship is the $160 8320, not the 8350.
8320 - a good buy if it fits your very specific low end needs.
8350 - same amount of cores and cache, they simply overclocked it out of the box and ask for more money. You can do this yourself.
9370 - same amount of cores and cache, they simply overclocked it a little more out of the box and ask for more money. You can do this yourself.
9590 - same amount of cores and cache, they simply overclocked it to the limits out of the box and ask for even more money. You can do this yourself.
Have you seen the competition? When Intel charges more for a processor you get more cores, hyperthreading, more cache. You're actually paying for something that you can't just hop in the bios and change yourself.
So yeah, that $160 flagship is low end, sorry.
You realize that 4770k, 4670k, lower 4000 series quads are all the same chips, Intel just disables parts of it.
What AMD is doing is actually a nice thing. If AMD were Intel, the lineup would look something like this:
FX 8320: no VT-D or AVX/FMA3 part of L2 and L3 disabled
FX 8350 no VT-D, includes FMA3 but not AVX, less L2 and L3 disabled
FX 9370: no VT-D, includes FMA3 and AVX, even less L2 and L3 disabled.
FX 9590: VT-D, IOMMU, FMA3, AVX, full L2 and L3 enabled.
You don't seem to remember the days when Intel and AMD's CPU lineup consisted mostly of the same chips at different clock speeds, and part of being an enthusiast/overclocker was having the ability to buy cheap chips and turn them into more expensive ones.
Intel has completely changed the game and turned overclocking into this "elite club" where you have to pay an additional tax to enter, lose parts of the chip, etc.
I had a nice life of buying low end Intel and AMD chips, saving a ton of money, then overclocking them and having something nicer.
Your attitude irks me to no end, because you're basically completely against the kind of product line-ups where you can buy a cheap chip, overclock it, and have something nicer.
The only purpose of those more expensive AMD chips are to provide for those who can't or won't overclock. It is just like the old line-up of Core 2 Duo, Pentium 4, Athlon XP/64/etc, Opteron, etc.
The biggest thing that irks me the most is that before Intel completely flipped the game, they'd make more money off of people who weren't able to overclock by charging them more for what is basically a BIOS setting change that was locked after being sold. Now, Intel makes more money by making overclocking ridiculously easy and charging more for the ability to do it.
I don't know if you realize it, but you're basically arguing that Intel doing something like releasing an unlocked i5 3330k model for $190 would be completely stupid and horrible for customers.
The last Intel system I owned was an i7 920, and it was the same old situation where you could either save a ton of money by buying the slow model and overclocking, or if it you were stupid and couldn't overclock, you'd spend more on a "factory overclocked" system. Once Intel changed to IB, and decided to tell us all that we're basically moochers who get stuff for free by overclocking, and then locked overclocking to the most expensive parts in the line-up, I walked away from Intel and have never regretted it.
And in that time, I've been "lucky" enough to see the enthusiast community devolve into this awful benchmark pissing match of people who think they are SOOOO GOOD with computers because they can change the multiplier on their fisher price E-Z Clock CPU.
I'm going to rant and probably get in trouble for this, but screw it. I'm so sick and tired of you elitist Intel people. You constantly wag benchmarks around like a bunch of fools, and half the time they're benchmarks for programs for software that you don't even know what that software actually does. It's like you come to these place and feel like you have some sort of urge to be some sort of GOOD GOY INTEL MARKETING AGENT to show up on random forums and make sure that you try and advertise for Intel under the guise of "WOW I CHANGED THE MULTIPLIER AND NOW I WIN BENCHMARKS IM THE BEST COMPUTER ENTHUSIAST TO EVER EXIST!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT THESE BENCHMARKS!!!"
Years ago, you'd see people thrilled with the idea of buying cheap celerons, semprons, all the way up to high end just changing clocks and pushing chips far. Thanks to you awful Intel barbarians who can't appreciate a well performing chip, being a computer enthusiast has turned into this knuckle dragging circle jerk of the same 15 benchmarks.
And it's because Intel re-wrote overclocking. It turned it from a valuable skill which benefited those with knowledge into this awful, fanboy creating, ridiculously easy and simple procedure which makes people want to justify their purchases and create the most stable form of viral marketing to ever cross the internet. Yes, I view you "LOL EVO 212 COOLER I HIT 4.5GHZ IM THE BEST INTEL 4LYFE XDDD" enthusiasts even lower than the most rabid, inane Apple fanboy.
So just drop it already. I'd take a chip that was half as fast as FX 8320 but OCed a lot more and was a ton of fun to play with. You might even wonder why I don't have FX 4000 series to OC and play with if I feel that way? Well I disable cores and modules on my 8350 all the time, and it's like playing with a different chip.
Enjoy bashing on a company that still lets you get more out of cheaper hardware and hoping that they can some day give us a lineup that more reflects theirs, like perhaps AM4 platform with bus clock locked and only the highest end chip has an unlocked multiplier. OH GOD I HOPE THAT HAPPENS!!!! /s