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most people on this planet with a desktop / laptop wouldn't know the difference between intel and amd unless they were savvy in what spec they want for a particular job.

that probably leaves us, the 10% always harping for better whilst the other 90% are happy biggrin.gif
Very good point.

Similar overclocks for both processors involved ( slight percentage advantage for the Intel) same ram , slightly different firestrike versions.
The intel rig has newer drivers. The over all score - 35 marks difference . Same graphics card at stock speeds. Ancient windows install on the AMD with around 90 processes running in the background. About 60 processes on the Intel.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1720891/fs/1951174

Benchmarking scores are Intel's strong point , no argument from me there. The benchmarking scores I've posted are meant to satisfy other people's need to have a form of measurable proof that it's possible that AMD is not only viable but also to support my contention that it can be superior in everyday use.
Benchmarks don't hold much value to me for comparing platforms as it relates to their everyday use.
The firestrike comparison isn't completely scientific, but I've given the Intel some advantages so that no one screams foul and tells me how terrible the comparison is.
I'd use haswell to compare to , but I don't have one.
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post #1192 of 1593
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most people on this planet with a desktop / laptop wouldn't know the difference between intel and amd unless they were savvy in what spec they want for a particular job.

that probably leaves us, the 10% always harping for better whilst the other 90% are happy biggrin.gif
Very good point.

Similar overclocks for both processors involved ( slight percentage advantage for the Intel) same ram , slightly different firestrike versions.
The intel rig has newer drivers. The over all score - 35 marks difference . Same graphics card at stock speeds. Ancient windows install on the AMD with around 90 processes running in the background. About 60 processes on the Intel.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1720891/fs/1951174

Benchmarking scores are Intel's strong point , no argument from me there. The benchmarking scores I've posted are meant to satisfy other people's need to have a form of measurable proof that it's possible that AMD is not only viable but also to support my contention that it can be superior in everyday use.
Benchmarks don't hold much value to me for comparing platforms as it relates to their everyday use.
The firestrike comparison isn't completely scientific, but I've given the Intel some advantages so that no one screams foul and tells me how terrible the comparison is.
I'd use haswell to compare to , but I don't have one.


I don't think anyone here is arguing that an AMD processor will bottleneck a single 7970. That's basically a midrange card these days, just like my 670 is.

However, with 2x 7970s/GTX 680s or a single R9 290/780Ti, the AMD CPU will certainly bottleneck.
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post #1193 of 1593
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I don't think anyone here is arguing that an AMD processor will bottleneck a single 7970. That's basically a midrange card these days, just like my 670 is.

However, with 2x 7970s/GTX 680s or a single R9 290/780Ti, the AMD CPU will certainly bottleneck.
I already told you saying it doesn't make it true. I posted a link using a single 290x and a 7990 and only one game showed a spread, for the most part equal. So no AMD won't bottleneck either. Di you have proof or more talking.
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I don't think anyone here is arguing that an AMD processor will bottleneck a single 7970. That's basically a midrange card these days, just like my 670 is.

However, with 2x 7970s/GTX 680s or a single R9 290/780Ti, the AMD CPU will certainly bottleneck.
Bottleneck?? Why do guys here tend to ignore Mantle?? Bottleneck is relevant to only gaming and benchmarks, gaming bottleneck is definitely not an issue even with a Kaveri paired with 290X/780Ti. What's more important now?? Do you spend $400 just to remove CPU bottleneck over GPU in only benchmarks?
The Haswell-E shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread, it is not comparable to anything available for desktops till now. It's logically 16-core processor so it is not fair to compare this just announced processor with a 2+ year old processor.
    
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Highest 3DMark Fire Strike scores, with 1 GPU. I didn't include the ones with more than 1 GPU because it's obvious that AMD is going to bottleck when you've got >1 high end GPU.

What do you notice? That's right, ALL of them are using Intel CPUs.

If AMD did not bottleneck, why do you see ZERO of the highest-ranking systems on 3DMark using AMD CPUs?

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Bottleneck?? Why don't guys here tend to ignore Mantle?? Bottleneck is relevant to only gaming and benchmarks, gaming bottleneck is definitely not an issue even with a Kaveri paired with 290X/780Ti. What's more important now?? Do you spend $400 just to remove CPU bottleneck over GPU in only benchmarks?
The Haswell-E shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread, it is not comparable to anything available for desktops till now. It's logically 16-core processor so it is not fair to compare this just announced processor with a 2+ year old processor.
mantle won't work if a 780ti is the gpu.
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Yeah definitely so why do you go for amongst most expensive GPU and then a damn expensive CPU to avoid bottleneck because you can't use mantle.
Just get a cheaper CPU and cheaper GPU and get same frame rates with mantle working. Also HSA is gonna add more on top of that so now the budget AMD systems are getting more than viable
    
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most people on this planet with a desktop / laptop wouldn't know the difference between intel and amd unless they were savvy in what spec they want for a particular job.

that probably leaves us, the 10% always harping for better whilst the other 90% are happy biggrin.gif
Very good point.

Similar overclocks for both processors involved ( slight percentage advantage for the Intel) same ram , slightly different firestrike versions.
The intel rig has newer drivers. The over all score - 35 marks difference . Same graphics card at stock speeds. Ancient windows install on the AMD with around 90 processes running in the background. About 60 processes on the Intel.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1720891/fs/1951174

Benchmarking scores are Intel's strong point , no argument from me there. The benchmarking scores I've posted are meant to satisfy other people's need to have a form of measurable proof that it's possible that AMD is not only viable but also to support my contention that it can be superior in everyday use.
Benchmarks don't hold much value to me for comparing platforms as it relates to their everyday use.
The firestrike comparison isn't completely scientific, but I've given the Intel some advantages so that no one screams foul and tells me how terrible the comparison is.
I'd use haswell to compare to , but I don't have one.


I don't think anyone here is arguing that an AMD processor will bottleneck a single 7970. That's basically a midrange card these days, just like my 670 is.

However, with 2x 7970s/GTX 680s or a single R9 290/780Ti, the AMD CPU will certainly bottleneck.

I ran 2 4870X2's in quadfire for a while , it cured me on running multi gpu setups...lol .

So many different perspectives, it would be hard to form a consensus as to what mid range is. In the confines of this rather unique OCN universe the bar is certainly elevated.

The Intel's get better 3D benchmark scores it's true, however , the "bottleneck" expressed by those numbers in an AMD vs Intel cpu comparison would often be beyond perception to the average user.

It's kind of funny, my Intel chips give me huge amounts of what I can't see ( fps beyond my ability to perceive them) and AMD give me more of what I can. ( very nimble desktop experience and mouse movements that feel like an extension of my hand , very important to the CSS player).

Nice Sandy you have there , in my opinon, there is little reason to spend the money to move to Ivy nor the current Haswell. Your thoughts?
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When the AMD cpu isn't fast enough you can buy a SSD. It's what I'm going to do when I have some money.
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