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The one thing that annoys me the most in "AMD vs Intel" debates is that yes Intel might be faster in single thread performance but that doesn't equal to AMD being "slow." There isn't a game that a 8320/8350 can't handle that Intel can.

Intel might bench higher numbers. That doesn't imply that AMD can't run games at max setttings. AMD CPUs easily can. Those higher numbers don't relate to actually worth while noticeable difference. 150fps AMD vs 170fps Intel or 60fps AMD vs 77fps Intel doesn't make a world of difference out side of spreadsheets.

A 4770k might be faster than a 8350 but it also comes at a $120 higher price tag. Even a 4670k is about $40 more on newegg and my local frys. Let alone another $30 price increase for the equivalent quality and feature wise motherboard.

All that extra performance from Intel you're paying for. By the time you'll need that extra performance it'll be the time your entire system will be out of date. It will be out of date at the same time the AMD system will be. Up till then the AMD system will be keeping up with Intel and lasting just as long.

The 9xxx series are geared for the diehard AMD fans much like the $600 - $1000 Intel processors are for diehard Intel fans.

Assassins Creed Series, Darksiders, Need for Speed games(for most AMD USERS anyway), Alan Wake, recent Splinter Cell games, Dead Rising 2, Recent Red Faction, GTA IV(and probably V) games and there are dozens more just on my Steam Library where AMD CPUS at any clockspeed certainly do have problems running the games anywhere near as smoothly as a Stock Intel CPU. I shared the same opinion as you up until about a month ago when I finally gave up on AMD and you have to be delusional to think the discrepancy isn't pretty huge in games. I would be most of those games listed would run better on an i3 than an 8 core FX CPU. MOst recent games have an i3 outperforming an 8320, even if only by a few frames with a ton more power usage on AMDs part.

Look at Thief which just came out. An i3 outperforms an FX8XXX and yeah you can overclock the FX processor, but the cost of a cooler and the CPU(and good board to handle the load without exploding) costs about the same as an i5 4670k and 100 Z87 board. I would rather spend the money now, than wait for this mythical time where AMD CPUs rule the world because they have more cores. All Intel has to do is give the i5s Hyperthreading and give the i7s more cores and they would still destroy AMD.

I can honestly say I will never cheap out with AMD just because of cost and it simply being "good enough" to run games. I think more, and more people are doing the same. They either need a competing product in ACTUAL PERFORMANCE, instead of price/performance for me to ever consider another AMD product in my main gaming rig. I will still continue to buy them in a browser/HTPC situation, though.

Btw about the last thing you mention an overclocked i3 5XX, i5 7XX and i7 /8X0/92X are still more than a match for AMDs current lineup, let alone Intels current stuff so I don't know where you get off saying all the money gets wasted on higher cost products because they will go out of date sooner.
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post #122 of 1593
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I own both:

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and unless you have a specific task that can utilize an FX better there's no reason to get one.

I too own both, yet, I couldn't disagree with you more. I feel the ONLY reason to go Intel is if you have the budget to do so, or have plans of Multi-GPU setups. This whole "90% of games perform better on intel therefor you should avoid amd" blanket statement only shows the level of blind bias floating around here. The important questions is, just how many people are playing these games? How exactly would somebody playing BF3, BF4, Crysis 3, Dirt Showdown, Tomb Raider etc benefit from an i5/i7 over an 8320?





I don't quite have the mommy & daddy money to match your extensive collection, but you get the point.

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But if we look at real world benches like games the only conclusion we can draw is that your experience is based on some placebo effect.

Could you yourself be suffering from that same placebo effect? You always seem to have an "excuse" or "reason" to discount any review that doesn't jive with your opinions....

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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post


Most benchmarks that show the FX besting I7's are quickly deemed terrible , but if you accept one bench mark as valid, don't you have to accept them all as being valid? I mean after all, the program is the same , no matter what hardware you are running it on.

My thoughts exactly
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This quote really got me but it also makes me think you're just trolling Alatar.

You're just having some fun with him right?

Right?

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I would consider someone who only comes into a specific forum to spew emotionally weighted bias and mis-information, a troll. Wouldn't you?

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The price argument is definitely true in some cases, especially with the 8320 (I don't even realize why the 8350 vs. i5 is the go to argument on the internet...).

And the thing with current intels is that you don't need to have a mobo as good as on the AMD side to get max out the chip. And you don't need as much cooling either. PSU needs go down by a bit etc. (and depending on your usage scenario and electricity cost per kwh power costs might be a factor as well)

So once you take those into account the comparison then turns into:

i5: low heat output, MUCH better single thread performance, lower associated costs, higher quality / better feature set mobos

FX: small amount better multithreaded performance, somewhat lower overall price

Wow! Could you be more wrong? This is just flat-out mis-information.

Gigabytes 990FXA-UD3 is $130 and is SOLID all the way up to LN2 duty. Pair that with a $20 Zalman Optima air cooler and you're set for 4.8Ghz.
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Amd is for budget peeps, intel is for performance peeps, nuff said.

wait, how much is the 9590 again? Which performs on par with 4770k? And oh, have fun with your outdated amd chipset, you can't even find a good mitx mobos.

Can you enlighten us all and show us how, in the video below, AMD's chipset is ruining the gaming/computing experience for users?



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But there are clear differences....

4770K: 84 watts, $300
9590: 220 watts, $370

on top of that, users will most likely need a beefier PSU if they don't already, to run the 9590, not to mention a more expensive motherboard for running a 220w processor....all of these costs add up.

Boy o' boy. There's so much wrong in almost every one of your posts that its hard to keep up. Im no virgin to any of the above hardware, so please, allow me to enlighten you. First, all that's required for FX CPU to perform anywhere from stock, all the way up to Liquid Nitrogen and record breaking levels, is a Gigabyte UD3. Cost? $130 USD. Second, a $20 Zalman Optima is usually enough to cool a 9590. My 8320 runs at 51 degrees max during Prime95 at 4.8GHz across all cores. Third, do you even know how many watts a 9590 pulls at the socket during gaming?


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Gigabytes 990FXA-UD3 rev 4.0 is $130 and is SOLID
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Whats wrong with Rev 1.1? 3.0? I've had both and they were solid.
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post #125 of 1593
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Whats wrong with Rev 1.1? 3.0? I've had both and they were solid.

 

Gigabyte cheaped out on VRMs if I remember correctly. Caused a fair few blown boards on the interwebs since the boards couldn't handle OCs past ~4.6Ghz on an FX-83##.

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Peformance per module would easily match Intel's per core performance

Because a module is two cores.

If you disable one core per-module on an eight core Vishera, leaving each core with it's own independent functional units, you still do not have a part that is performance competitive with any quad core Intel part on LGA-1155 or 1150.
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Kaveri most effcient proc on the market in the low tdp area.

By what criteria?

Performance per watt, even when constrained to a low TDP, will fall short of most recent Intel architectures.
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The only thing most benchmarks are actually good at are improving the performance of the same system at different settings.

Most benchmarks that show the FX besting I7's are quickly deemed terrible , but if you accept one bench mark as valid, don't you have to accept them all as being valid? I mean after all, the program is the same , no matter what hardware you are running it on.

Some benchmarks are more relevant than others.

Synthetic benchmarks don't carry as much weight as those based off actual programs, and programs that do thing that no one in the argument is trying to do carry less weight than those that are reflective of the tasks at hand.
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Gigabyte cheaped out on VRMs if I remember correctly. Caused a fair few blown boards on the interwebs since the boards couldn't handle OCs past ~4.6Ghz on an FX-83##.

Perhaps I was lucky then. I had 1.0 (no LLC) and now 4.0. Both have taken quite an amount of abuse, and the boards never failed.
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Gigabyte cheaped out on VRMs if I remember correctly. Caused a fair few blown boards on the interwebs since the boards couldn't handle OCs past ~4.6Ghz on an FX-83##.

Yup, I haven't owned one myself but lots of overheating and some warping of the pcb where the vrms are with rev 3.0 reported in the owners forum.
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That's a pretty cool video. One thing that stood out to me is FarCry3. I found that game to be very CPU limited and it seems to only support 4 threads, I don't see how the FX-8350 would be on par with the 3770k in that scenario unless it was being limited by the GPU in that video. Everything else in the video looks correct. Have you tried that particular game yourself on both chips?
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@2advanced
That's a pretty cool video. One thing that stood out to me is FarCry3. I found that game to be very CPU limited and it seems to only support 4 threads, I don't see how the FX-8350 would be on par with the 3770k in that scenario unless it was being limited by the GPU in that video. Everything else in the video looks correct. Have you tried that particular game yourself on both chips?

I noticed that too, but Linus also had similar results when comparing the 8350 to a 3570 when overclocked to their respective MAX OC's. I dont have that game, otherwise, Id post my own results with each system.

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